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2-7-12 1pm Spud

Feb 7, 2012|

Spud talks to listeners about whether or not parents should go to jail because of their child's tardiness to school.

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Okay layup I had my. Don't feel good. The stuff today that -- of the show them that. And six all running 786 -- that early seventy -- told relying and it -- -- 8770. We -- about today and talking about schools and chairman and such and well I'll just hold onto departments will start out with -- -- the story. The state of Virginia. Had a mandate. -- law that mandates syndicate. And frankly here in Louisiana they have toward the end an absentee rule rules to. So we're gonna discuss vote but it's how they actually deal with it that is we're gonna start -- talking about today I got three kits. This on what happens -- my if they get detention. They get detention for a not for not turn and and our homework and my kids -- in a band if they don't practice -- homework and -- that they turn and they get late. They get up late they get detention and detention in my kids' school. Is. First off you have to server after school or Saturday mornings mostly guys who can do Saturday mornings. Aussie got to give up your Saturday morning and also bristles you know my school's private -- -- -- Abbas or receive federal pick up BQ. So my wife gets extra. If she goes to pick up the kids when they got to school at 3 o'clock and it's a deterrent come back of four was when my kids. At detention for not doing his homework like that. But that's not a deal and and detention -- my -- school is boring. You have to sit the class room. And do nothing. There's a man who sits in it which he reads a book. Candidate and -- a sign out sheet about how long each person needs to stay in their what their server that for. And then a parent has to come sign about it the end of their detention and you can't talk to each other. You can't read a book. You can't do anything but sit in the chair and stare at the front of the class. If you snicker do anything like that of the Quechua try to sneak your your cellphone it's on like that. But you got more attention ness are flooded some get a -- They go on the themselves. That's got to do what at a Moscow which I think -- ago -- ago that the couple in Virginia. Who are. Going to court. There and loud and counting. There or rain Monday morning in juvenile court. By and domestic relations court trial set for march the fourteenth the names of the dead -- and are each charged with three class. Class three misdemeanors they got three kids each of which these misdemeanors carry a maximum -- 500 -- Their three children -- just 67 and nine and they've been late to school almost thirty times since September. 30 times that they're -- thirty times in September. Most of their parties or three minutes or less some of the tardy slip that they have -- zero minutes which I don't understand how. Back indeed the case if -- Z if your party zero minutes you're not party but they got a slip and that's count forum and that he's got got to go to court. Both of these people are trained lawyers I don't know if they do that for eleven but there'll trained as warriors. They argue that whatever is whatever one's opinion of their parent in the county has no legal authority to convict them of crime because the statutes that they're referring to. Don't specifically. Deal with tardiness. We had he's no longer the legislature walker Hines. Was at a state legislature and he try to pass the bill. To -- to make people whose children are our you know truant. To make them responsible actually going you know facing jail time. There's another person in this in Virginia whose kid was it is was party ten times. And she is actually -- facing possible jail time and go on how. How is that gonna make this better. How is sending a mother. To jail. Because their kid isn't going to school gonna make that get a better kid a down there I mean. There are people out there who frankly. Don't take care of their children and I think that's what these laws were put in place for two. Encourage. Force. -- worse. Cajole threaten. Bad. You to educate each kit I mean a providing a free education. Please take advantage of and if you don't wanna know why because and Alexander Virginia compulsory you have to go to school as a matter of fact that's they Louisiana. You kind of have to do that too. Com. They've got X number of absences you're allowed each year you that your child has to attend. A 160 days the school year opened -- eighteenth birthday they cannot drop out Hillary to which means they -- an adult. As far as it comes to voting on a corner drinking but voting you have to do that. My question is though that these two people they gonna go to court the judge usually. It's a fifteen minute trial usually but it doesn't at a time -- On how many witnesses you tempering and -- to trained lawyers -- with these two parents laureate in the they bring in everybody they can't. To argue that this is silly because they're both pay their face like 15100000. Fine and about go to jail. But my argument all about all this is that we're gonna expand on that as we are continuing our discussion. Is this better handled in the schoolers -- better handled in the court. I don't see. Somebody whose child is constantly apps. Somebody's child who has consistently. Troll who does not show up when they do show up their disruptive. -- date June if they show up. They have to be sent home being constantly are not prepared they're constantly classroom describe disruption. -- need to take the parents and and sit him down seriously go okay next stop is court. But somebody who is in his late and I spent a different teachers to. About all this because arguments on the other side it's like your kids three minutes late and it constantly disrupt the classroom now we have to stop and start over on -- But that's I don't think you -- my kids' school and -- what's -- draw my expertise from they have. Fifteen minutes of like holding room where they do announcements and everything else and as long as you show up. I think but it the first -- at 825 the last -- and 840 as long as you show up in that fifteen minute time slot. You're good. You may miss the morning announcements and such but that's what home -- for. So somebody who's three minutes party and IQ of school without -- be party. They would be in their room before -- 840 bell that a good to go if they're three minutes past the age forty bell. Guess what then they got to go to the office and got to get a target. I'm looking at one school here in -- state Louisiana international school Louisiana there attendance and -- policy if your kids late. They're child isn't in they need to be in the classroom by 8 o'clock if they're not there late and an apparent pass to escort the child to the front desk. Pick up late -- before going into the classroom and it's gonna cost you five blocks. So that's how they're dealing with a five dollar per family processing fee for the -- -- So these guys got three kids okay they would only paid five dollars once you only got one kid is opening of the five books. I think that's a better way of handling it they're going to court at least for party even even even a court. Even a chronic tardiness thirty times since September. That's a lot of times. When the average is three minutes and some of the targets -- -- zero minutes I don't think this is a -- think this is an issue for the courts. Constant truancy and missing a class and disruption of -- that's when parents need to go sit in front of the magistrate. But a constant tardiness. Charge and five but make more commission. You're late you gotta pay five bucks and got to Wacom and I don't think -- a courtroom time but you tell me teacher's family members know parents out there they -- -- going to court. Or is or do you think that's the right thing to do somebody who's constantly late. You know what I can't be late for his program. Yep my oldest were always close and heard hurry up and get outside the door there's a lot of people that will fire you for if you consistently late. But three minutes late less than three minutes zero minutes late and they're still going to court for tardiness I don't know I think over the top I think courts have better things to do. That's why take on a 2678668890. Point seven tool for. Parents and teachers what do you think about tardiness is that this is that a problem for the school to deal with what should go to court. Truancy. Consistently missing school days and days of missing school and disruptive behavior that may have to go to the courts but three minutes late. 30 times since September. I think he courtroom to on the -- by the things due to 6786680. -- early seventies that told -- 878 semi weariness in the attacks that cup coffee at. I went back on a bunch of negates that and now all eggs when examining big zigzags and hitting their heads early -- -- -- I was born today. Hospitals party that's kind of law in Virginia that mandates attendance has told a frankly we have got over here to. Here to -- Louisiana I don't think it's this of the year. We'll talk about that -- bottom line is state of Virginia coal on compulsory. Education -- you have to seniors kids to school. Now the parents of three of Virginia elementary school kids are facing criminal charges now at two misdemeanors. But it's still a criminal charge with 500 dollar -- -- 31 on the 15100 books. Because the kids are habitually Torre but on average is three minutes today some of them are. I mean literally the target slips that zero minutes but it's still parties whistles count against them. Basically their entire. Party this all three governments about an hour. If you put it all together and amounts to and now they got kids who get out of school early -- ago sports stuff swim meets. Some -- other function that that is is excuse. But is this I mean. Is this like zero tolerance gone a lot. Is this basically a lack of common sense when it comes to dealing with simple things I can understand. I could understand on a teacher's point of view of somebody is consistently late but it I don't think it mandates criminal. I don't think that mandates going to a court I just don't think it does the courts have enough stuff they got to deal with. Especially when you consider how many kids -- out there who were truly never show want to plans to Begin. Other several different articles that talk about this one comes from the Washington Post an opinion piece. Here's what she starts up to a -- Iraq says I was late to my wedding was the late delivering the car pools kids to school on Monday morning. Late filing this column no matter how hard I try elect would be late to my parent teacher conference Monday afternoon are perpetually fighting the party -- But she goes that's that's I'd never been -- and a criminal court because of and that's -- -- found -- -- to be going to a Leesburg courtroom. Monday with a couple Loudon County parents some of their -- criminal charges because the kids are habitually late. I think it's on I think that's over the top here in the state of Louisiana and I was reading something about this is that the international school Louisiana that's their policy. A child not class by 8 AM it's considered -- apparent must escort the child to the front desk. Picabo late slip before going into the class from a five dollar per family processing fee for the late slip. What do they in some mistakes and what do they can't afford the five bucks well. Then they'll do five dollars worth of work I don't know -- put a -- make some cut a deal or not be linked. I mean is that it's basically what a ball stopped I don't think it's out of line. For some for the school to try to do something to keep people from being late. But criminal courtroom I think it's too much having -- over the top well -- -- I did I just don't think it belongs in that kind of situation I think the schools need to do a better job of that kind of stuff but then again. I'm not a schoolteacher I don't have to do that kind of stuff every day and well that's not true because frankly I do it -- don't it's trying to get -- -- Saturday. Here's another text the bell rings and your party whether it's thirty seconds or four minutes not agreeing with the law but that's something else. There's a big difference between thirty seconds informants there's a huge difference between thirty seconds of Foreman. I don't know any teacher of all all the schooling that I did but it's a school -- troop. Collagen and grant school. I never had a teacher that started. Within thirty seconds of the bills. That that you know if you're thirty seconds late for five minutes yes. Yes. But I mean what these what these elementary school kids missing. You know Crayola I mean we're talking but first second third graders. We're not talking about somebody who's -- now one. Here's another -- our prisons overpopulated already -- stupid wall like this to keep adding people. But this and other dumb nonviolent crimes to the president this room. This is this is I mean they're not going to jail for a while I doubt they would I don't know if your find. 15100 books and you know paid they stick you in jail for twenty days I was academic your kid better -- this other woman whose it was and Smart. She attend parties and out she's got a she got to rest and and she got arrested that's the beauty part. They came and arrested her. On a Saturday night. While she was whipped. A function. With her kids. So she had to get. Somebody to come -- -- quarter kids at this saying watches being arrested for contributing to delinquency. Who is contributing more she's sitting order kids at a function on a Saturday night. And they come and arrest her on a Saturday night for not bring for -- and late into guns to school. This business comments this is this and cut a bureaucrat. On a power trip. Here's one I used to have a teacher that if I was one minute late I would get written up I hated him Baghdad and today thanks to him I'm praised at my job for arriving early no pain no gain. There's a big difference between -- you up and go to. It's a big pain to deal -- it because of the detentions that they get and the fact that you know. Frankly if they were allowed to do their homework and detention. I don't know like read up like my -- certainly use some help notice spelling words -- -- -- their detention -- -- spelling words. I'd say go get a detention every day at least I know you're doing something out of work but -- can't you cannot use that time for anything. You can't play catch up you can't read you can't text message to anybody you can't do anything but sit in the chair and stare at the blackboard. Can't talk to each other yet whistled a tune. -- You get you stared at chalkboard if you're lucky enough to be -- get lost in your own thoughts. You better be a close it's still what you -- because if if you act up in any way whatsoever you get more detention. But I think that's a pretty fair way to do -- nobody likes. Nobody likes that miniature do enough when. That's first thing we're supposed to more stuff and a plot to 2670. -- is the text was the age -- many high -- drive themselves what about single mothers. Where one kid goes to this elementary on this I don't know. The other -- -- high school somewhere else. In the state Louisiana you've got you have compulsory loss to. This is in Virginia that they're getting hauled in for -- of a magistrate for this and facing. Misdemeanor criminal charges. But apparently it doesn't matter one way or to others you've got to bring somebody to class on this side of the river and and audio side of the river where you're just gonna have to leave early and that's colorized. -- so if you're if you're party you're gonna pay a price for. And I don't -- have a problem with somebody paying a price for being party especially thirty parties. But go under -- thought about judge. For two and three minutes the average the average was three minutes or less thirty times since September of the average was three minutes or less some of zeroes and it's there Rodham. Don't make any sense to me to 67866. 8890870. As I've told -- a they over the top. I mean a spouse should habitual -- tardiness being handled in the classroom or in the courtroom. Chris Wells in the newsroom is to bring us up to -- or some headlines and everything else is going on the world back more your comments are almost bush notably -- seventy WW. Are -- -- -- budged -- -- examining W you know they don't want them. -- Operating opinion poll. Should individuals who started shipping channel in the classroom or the courtroom. First batch of numbers here 57%. Of stay in the classroom -- -- for. Worked with with somebody who would be habitually. True. Somebody who misses lots and lots of class and and they have determined you know the reason is just not ballot. This sickly kids I missed an entire six weeks of school -- and the second greatest weapon. But I mean it was pretty obvious where I was. But aspirin but it's short. Hartings since a lot of them but still short. Actually it's legal record -- that -- I think it's always Janet -- plus later Jim thanks for Conan. Thank you on. That you can you don't know -- that in going to. Anything at that back to back I mean I might have been unable to drive. -- and my ex husband. That it does not have the way opposite direction. Going to be tried -- -- and ethically and the minute you know that within a minute that the economy. Yeah occupied because you're going on a big party and you can get it and they probably and she had no control. And. Well they've got a they've got. It's like why I happened to. Well that's it that's just it is what happens in my school mean. If my kids are -- gonna get it to pay attention so the point the finger at me but I mean the kids should the kids pay the price so that. Although. Italy could -- -- -- you to the table and out of school. -- but -- it not on the you know. Then my -- to Palin should you and I -- -- should you and -- service Saturday morning detention does relate to Americans who. You know -- You know how it. Looks the media attention and yet -- I'm bad -- -- -- the point in my -- and it -- them in the control. Well -- of what's happening right here is the parents are gonna suffer because they got to go to court. -- Didn't happen and it's need to be similar to an end. You know. And on. Something that -- but not quite hit them. Out and attacked. You know we. Need to do to get -- -- Blake school. Yeah that. Meet for maybe even -- that aren't so that they shouldn't -- be jail time mentioned at all -- our community service that Padilla arts service at the school. You know what's out there Saturday and help completely out accuracy appoints somebody behind bars. Put somebody behind bars -- something like this is because they are abusing their children and I mean abuse its objective is to be late to school and abusing your children that that's -- Real like -- like physical abuse to. But I think that. I'm talking at. Saint need to be reevaluated across the board and our school system you know -- and an advocate to make it totally -- my children out of school -- -- pink and light. I would like -- look at this school. -- -- -- I was a kid when I wrote a Boston and high school. My boss and I don't know why because it was both the rule was supposed to be if you're the last one you the first last -- -- Like that we were the first ones or on the plus in the morning's Milan went off in the afternoon. They went completely backwards and they were telling the principles that and morning that we relate. Plus you know play. If that situation we never -- we never got charged for that that wasn't. Connecticut -- used Marty because the -- -- want to get my children at school app that and humble opinion. Get the money being in the morning and then again -- -- the triple -- Didn't. Appear that can happen on it. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I think and the panic that that need to be outlet with a cold that the parents and I don't think it's an impact on children that got them when they're not capable of tribal. I mean not my job to do. -- -- -- Have to buy it to -- to do that yet and detention -- -- -- -- an art school years shouldn't -- -- Well I don't know I guess there there answer to use going to be leave Imus earlier you know that'll be -- -- video. I'm gonna. Go. Out -- I'm not a single parent I know -- ordered him out the doors at great. I got three -- atom bomb went up one mean I'm not single parent Myanmar why about the it's it's short get them out -- -- -- so. Idiot school for ten minutes to -- at eight. No mine and I haven't -- o'clock. And in color but rarely can you drop more. And then before care. Yes see Moscow like that I mean there's certainly can only drop a Moffitt a certain amount -- timing got to pay for before care. You can't drop them off any sooner than a quarter after and the bell rings that 25 after you gotta start paying for I mean. -- Adam and Matt because my that the Paper. So you know I think -- -- and another match it's still it's. -- strain that still a lot to get out that don't like you know that the company chair will get really you know an area like that and look at them. I'd better way to deal with that you know we did the -- Aren't true and they eat it children. On -- -- to turn in the week. You cannot constantly party and I mean within the minute you think that acceptable admit I don't think -- I -- and -- It's there but again that's what they have a fifteen minute window Mike is you can't drop off any sooner than a quarter after blood. You got a fifteen minute window to get a minute before the -- party so I got a good 25 minutes from the atomic drop them off until literally I'll I'll let you know. Now we make at all remodeled. I'm not certain of the school. At any thing. Thing in the morning and it got like it I admit it to fifteen and the -- -- in the morning the morning and then acting up in the morning that one actually that thing. A lot -- just that they don't they don't count target you stark in party when the when the bell rings distort your first actual Lance and I. Even -- even late for the home room that's starting. -- school. And that's what really got to make it that you are you kidding me and we you have to believe -- commit an act against. I hate it here. And Patrick that bet I'd like -- have been dealing. If you hate. It and that's the dog -- -- unit and that can't be gap. I gotta tell you though it straight day or straight -- in this situation it shouldn't make any difference you know they shouldn't be caught any slack. Because they make straight days because that's what we expect kids to do or at least that to try for that. But on the other -- you know I don't think he should be too -- back and stuff and I kind of I don't know I appreciate Janet thanks for the call good luck to you I don't -- to get a -- 26 or it's an apology today in a much emails and text you back more than got to step -- just the bill. Great comments accountability yes. Different target systems yes wanna hear about all of them got emails to back with more -- what's right. President next in my Catholic school in the sixties you were made to copy a page in the dictionary. Your detention last this long that took derided and had to be legible. -- -- Being -- thirty times in one month is -- at 130 times in one month it was thirty times since the beginning of September. Of being Tapia thirty times in one month so it's it's an example it's really reliable sign of a bad thing apparent. Are there underlying reasons these parents can't get up in the morning may be getting these people to face criminal charges will make them realize the importance of getting. Their kids to school on time. Bit you know what no I disagree which you know what if they or thirty minutes late consistently but to -- three minutes late I mean you can get caught at a red light. MB two and three minutes late. You know and that's their averaged three minutes some of the some other parties lips Sid zero minutes. Why are you gonna give me a tardy slip that says zero limits. You know I understand but they need to do something about it I mean the -- can get. For three minute average tardiness no that's over the top that's that's some bureaucrat and a Napoleon -- That's over the top it needs to be dealt with but not in the courts in the schools. 26786. Succeeding nearly seventy. Primary. Com it to grown up now on my idea it's just one when your result. Why I think what everybody inside out is that target policies -- put in -- because you're supposed to get someplace one. I think part of it the educational the in the teaching people to follow world. That you get to work to school on time. It's not when you feel like it in it now when you think he can get and I at -- it is common in the and my husband. Well I mean he is terrible I mean about the popularity. Of it you know I like a little -- Would look -- it anyway you know -- need. -- get -- get him out to school every morning. It different schooled at one point you know I'm in that deal one that high quality number -- went in elementary school so. To get. Organized here to get them out lever that can be the first. You know that they are there out of school yet people are Kate we can run into something that is gonna make him on late. An American problem and it's understandable. That the beat issue is want to make party everyday you have excuse. Why couldn't get to school work on how much. You you mean. To the collar and it. You know that Utah school with Kyle in the opposite direction it may be taken by -- to -- -- But it which you need to do. That's what's going on in the situation we are the teacher accountability and the ability to Catholic school well. We have we've pretty much could drop off so maybe you know unity -- we could be dropped out before seven point five it would probably -- at ten minute. Great period which met all morning and now we're going on it before morning prayers were okay. -- -- -- it for the school and apparently to get together and I'll teaching for that particular school I don't speak. We should call the courts which were all ready. Which traffic tickets and non violent misdemeanors. -- In the saying that you have a child is chronically. Late every morning at eight year and situation going on and -- that need to be looked into it -- go to the courts and reduction I don't think we need to -- the court. You're right though it. Means that social worker has visited the home and -- like that it. It's that the world. For me. To be at each and every day. I've got to be behind. Oh. But is this. Is this job but the port now I don't think so. There's. A social worker. If they think they need to do this for both the courts and work out why -- he would -- legally -- -- It. -- Maybe that's why. Think we need to act into EO of the court all the board -- courts at such. The defect at BQ 83 minutes played however. Even if chronically miss it -- -- three minutes late for something. It's not a terrible flat tire equipment whether you know the -- on the let's make in the bright and in the tropical is ridiculous. I'd definitely work five miles from home to beeper immediately if the bridge -- op board close wrote. Okay but yet come to work every day and give the excuse. When. Because they're gonna fail you know the idea that perhaps you got to -- a little. Admitted earlier. Today but that the world we live. Companies to be dealt with for this the school has a legitimate -- but it doesn't belong in the court. Now I don't think I really don't think I think it's fairly. Big Brother -- big big Brothers in too much already you know. And it may be the reason why you know people can wait for the government to rescue him for everything I you know I came -- Mikey he's stepping and I -- on job. In which should help people. To -- at society and why did -- why -- but the parents should get it at that particular school. Period and -- really understand. It's a public school. But its -- like the -- that would but it's like the lady who wrote that article and two all right she's been right of years it says -- thing as late filing column them or try album like lately -- -- parent -- perpetually on and the -- well you know a lot of people have problems. You know taking the report that goes over the top -- the school you know if you if you can't get in your time. And all that stately every day yet somehow or other -- -- have inconvenient. That now we're gonna in any. It's somebody who use their children. -- somebody who leads tool. Remotely person. You know. Now -- -- It all. Back more. -- -- We're back on but sort of against them of the DL. -- got one more call this album will continue taking your calls next hour to put more stuff but the bottom the same as -- so who's been on their JS and Andy doll house budget thanks. I'm. I wanted to mention bank here in verbally attacked we do that level but it rule when it comes to target that. Essentially. Media we do with 885. That great period but that that door -- And all know that some more of this class after the third party. What what happened is that no and people on it for example -- -- Would go to intervention and figure out what is wrong. And in it and it -- it is not a medical problems. -- have thought all right having issues with I get to school they'll they'll. To deal with and you know it -- -- in the court. On it a little bit of -- they -- fall. -- -- -- -- Lot of good things and school. Well I'm not saying and again it might get a lot of -- best of people going. -- need to get up earlier quick stop but for Caulfield you know what they're but could Jillian reasons some -- legit so -- -- argument about all of this stuff is though. The courtroom without the place to do it enough opinion poll here 74% if they do it in the classroom. 26% think -- from the courtroom to courtroom should be limited to re old. Real issues. You know I do the parents need to get -- -- -- school -- yes they do it. There's better ways to fix that the majority injury and I got a hold more comments will be back in the mountainous.