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2-10 6am Tommy, controversy over a deadly raid in Yemen

Feb 10, 2017|

Tommy talks to CBS military analyst Mike Lyons about some controversy over a US raid in Yemen that resulted in the death of a servicemember.

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Now Tommy chapter WWL. Pay on my famine dot com. I David Blake Friday finally thank goodness it's here it seems as though it has been a long week colors adjustment. Is that long but it did have a fairly good pace to it yeah I guess maybe with a tornado coverage and everything else that generally you think would speed things up but. Anyway it is Friday and we got a mess going on and Washington. So it's really began. To talk about the hum. The thread the ruling against the present him with his. Banda want to take on purses controversy over that read in Yemen. You guys John McCain severely criticizing the mission. Not necessarily Donald Trump but the mission I think it is being done in a way to criticize Donald Trump. But this is a Republican senator doing yeah yeah I started somebody that should be on board review you would thank. And talking about the mission being a failure and you can't lose a man if you lose some money than the mission can be considered a success and I don't. On the idea man you drop those seals and too long ago firefight. It was vicious I don't know how he's getting now I don't know now what this is all about it and we talk about that nation just everybody knows. What it is and I didn't get much coverage now and it really wasn't. His mission is started with President Obama he gave the go ahead for it though and women and children get killed but I think what happens is al-Qaeda. They embed themselves with communities zone now. You know you can't it's gonna happen understand why John. McCain John. Downing is an acting job. I don't know why. He chose this that'll I don't know what good it's gonna do the military and where exactly she would be on after terrorists or orders so we're at that we'll get to the present in the court system and a lot more plus. I want to talk about the Crescent City connection they got the new configuration now after they told us tore down until blues. This seems like every morning I know that the traffic is backed says stomped floor. Lafayette street even worse it should be used race and on through that's I would think too and I'd like to ask you have a new configuration is working out and where. Is there traffic problem. In your area where maybe when you commute that is just poorly designed and as be redone and so we got a lot coming up. I'll talk about this Yemeni raid that as John McCain and Donald Trump. I guess the White House specifically John slices kinda snap and each other and John McCain's. Paradigm here I guess wherever you wanna call it is metric that. When you lose a 75 million dollars airplane and more importantly in American life is loss I don't believe you can call with a success. And John McCain Terry. Influential senator on the armed services committee I don't know why this is all happening. Major Mike Lyons joins us right now Myers CBS military analysts and a friend good morning major. Thank you for taking its time for those that element don't know about it what happened specifically. In terms of the the raid did the Genesis of it and then the actual like Terry and is out of. What the beginning there was concern about whether or not they had enough intelligence to go in for the raiders were looking to get computer. Equipment not necessarily by al-Qaeda about Edwards decent intelligence that they had. But they didn't they were chilly enough information in order to children at play in the initial success of that mission. When they got didn't recognize there are more civilians involved in fraud they did kill some al-Qaeda operatives but the world. And other civilians were killed in the line of fire and including some children. And then of course chief for Ryan was killed and as well. One of the things happen was an osprey aircraft and the troubled landed hard could not be used to that to be brought up on the ground. Certain acute your point is with sustainable successful military mission. And I think channel or Senator McCain it's not that Detroit has lost my commanders expect losses that they recognize. But that's the case most people military ought to move to recognize that as well. Was this ill planned on beginning. I don't know if it was put off Reich is there waiting for a moonless night. Right it would probably that would that would save ill planned but but based on what it had to go from the looks like to try to. Maximize their capability with technology. And down. Admit they're likely would have expressed or from the traps that probably had not done choose let's say all of the things that they normally had done in the previous administration. The president was in the situation room normal and sweet tickets to me that I'm Russian military is that kind of throwing him under the bus for that at this point. Because it looked like it was grew about about the president at at dinner a few days before that Obama is the military is still responsible for extreme problems. I so when they go to execute the mission they knew gum encounters someone believes friction as the words it's now being used and and that means that they may have been actively or passively compromise. That's the concern they were. It immediately brought under fire and probably bring a tremendous amount firepower to this that it didn't go wrong firefights. Regardless of how much technology we have information we have there was concern that it was tipped off. But again if you deity in you know particularly in the attack on the kind of looked I'd say it to tickets to get in and say from their perspective they're playing. Because of expected to becoming as well. Went from it correct me if I'm wrong but I have I've read from the almost staffing or the way they were armed date it was. They were prepared proposition whenever it came. Yeah I mean that it's I mean that is based air support they had tremendous amount of assets system I I look at this and take. You got to look at what what the costs for accomplishing what the and to promote intelligence that we got from the net that's still. In an oil which is confidential but I mean to begin this what's the successful since the military mission. It could accomplish that goes well I think you that it was successful and now again we did have equipment and the titans are rife. But that campaign in what mission successful and. Should this debate be carried out in public but John McCain and I. Donald Trump them. No it really shouldn't and that's the thing with McCain knows that supports standard that indicate right and that just a casualty is. And that's so I'm surprised he started I don't know what else went humidity they started maybe with a shot by just comment about. And it just believed to call them successful to hear this desperate it is like that would like to block. But again McCain didn't have to go with the notes pursuant to authenticate. In terms of the hard landing and the aircraft that was Zabel we blew that up doing aren't. We did from the air mean it shows because it doesn't want because of the previous military operations we we don't plan for failure. And we don't want to that equipment following the two Vietnamese so. We we have contingencies the hours and in the past we really didn't think that we would have created frankly. But now you look at the US special forces we can do anything in the world at this point. Based on equipment we haven't talked and so we used. Due to the nature of the enemy embedding themselves in civilian populations. It's not always going to be as clean as a drone strike in anything the one individual means that debt. Whether the people. That have al-Qaeda embedded in with them. Won it or not and it's forced on them and their hostages on every one say it the at some point there's going to be collateral damage it you in this situation you Jews cannot avoid canyon. No and that's the thing we've got to the standard of virtually. Doubt accepting any kind of collateral damage and the other thing is not having military missions kinetic it's not a military mission gonna blow things. And these military commissions are designed. In this case to collect that information so usually you bring this altogether and you have so it was a with the mission with the purpose of getting the military to do this and you know it don't strike wouldn't accomplished and doesn't return yet. Not in terms of achieving any kind of intelligence of those kind of things do we know if this. Hale or should we even know if any intelligence was gained that would help us or not. Well the government problem that I think that that should be cut but that should remain confidential but the do after action report at some point. We might get some of that band going down wrote here but it does appear that it's in the information back to them and look kinda has retreated to yen in that where they are. It's likely that hit didn't commit silly details some totaled militants but the bottom line eventually did get some good information. Thank you sir appreciate you time Izzo is Nader on a weekend night six when he three with technicals and we come back. Do you think there's any way. In a situation. To conduct a military raid without hurting women and children any of the enemy chooses to embed themselves with the community. And you gotta get the enemy is it acceptable. To kill the women and children because. During a firefight you can't be that particular. Senator John McCain here in Colorado say Europe outright but I and I you can. In further that's not what he was implying because he says any time when you lose a 75 million dollar airplane and more importantly in American life has lost and wounded. I don't believe you can call it a success. And am member of navy team six seal team six chief petty officer William Ryan Owens was killed during the raid. And some Yemeni civilians. Now al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula have decided to embed themselves and just nix all up in the in the population there so you don't know who's Lucas and I Wear any uniform. And my problem is is if you have a very powerful. Tenured senator in John McCain very influential guy on the armed services committee. Who is coming out in public in criticizing the president and over a mission. And I don't know that he knows enough to say weathered as a success or not because. Or at least is. Maybe being politically savvy here because he knows there will be no release of what information was gained what intelligence was gained as we don't want the enemy to know that. And Donald Trump took to Twitter here and and sent a couple of different things he said Senator McCain should not be talking about the success or failure. All the mission to the media only emboldens the enemy he's been losing so long he doesn't know how to win anymore just look at the mess our country is in bogged down in conflict all over the place. Our hero. Ryan is three tweets by the way Ryan died on a winning nation according to general Mattis not a failure. Time for the US to get Smart and start winning again. My problem is that this is being played out in public I don't think it's gonna do our military any good I think it will embolden the enemy. And these guys are in the same party. John McCain is still upset it is. During the campaign Donald Trump once again is speaking. From the lip shoot from the lip says that you know units on John McCain was a loser in winner's don't get captured and all that stuff. But you got to put all that besides you gotta thicken up you skin get that Dan and John McCain I think is an without doubt an undisputed hero. But I think he's behaving very very badly hearsay you tell me this is bug you at all let. A senator with some of the same party is the president is criticizing a military mission. And I'm now it just seems. In inappropriate to me and the other part of it is that some some. Yemeni citizens got killed but if the enemy is all mixed up in there. It's gonna happen and somebody texted in the drones are not 100% accurate either that there's a lot of collateral damage when that happens. Look up Dresden if you want Dan how many civilians were killed during that war. And I think collateral damage just happened. Happens rather during more attacks comes and says that is not acceptable. To kill civilians noses what about bin Laden they Lawson helicopter. Tell ya gotta take front side on this one John McCain's. I hero I think he's a legitimate war hero the guy it was kept as a yeah Prisoner of War tortured or so offered tunnel. Any came in Munich if he's appears kind of stilted the way he moves his arms it's because of the torture that he was subject. So this guy's you know red white and blue American hero but I think he's making a mistake. By letting politics get in the way in and him publicly criticizing the president over military mission that. You know McCain saying that deep. Getting color theory says it's hard to call it a success. When you lose in person yet I you know sustain Lawson. Casualties so bad shoulder lose at that piece of equipment but that you know nobody killed thankfully with the from Osama bin Laden thing but we did lose a helicopter and of course you know the policy is we destroy that so they can't get any. Learn anything from and use it or anything out yeah. Come back and hindsight and and criticize and house are gonna make this seals in the other forces real and that's what trump said it emboldens the enemy and I don't think you had a conversation. And public and I think McCain has because he still angry into rightfully so that trump said he didn't think John McCain was a winner and all this foolishness but. I just I'm disappointed in John McCain because they think he should be bigger than that having been in the senate for his long. As he is and if you surgeon is served in the military would especially like to talk to you about this at 2601878. Because. I don't remember a time before where every were par seeing. Dom the military missions. Through this political prism my guess I don't know it it just seems like they should be done in private not in public even if the president has said some very ugly things about you I think you've bigger than man. The authors the role would you play if you wanna serve the country is bigger than that our continued to serve the country. And I think you know one on one with the president you try to put your arm around the shoulder you know figure of Leon's say. Let me help you out here or tried to his commander in chief Mike good morning aren't evident you rallied on. Art call. All right Tom and with the John McCain thing I think. You wait comer or whether or not artery. It could have been done different but what these stories. It is Easter not server. Is that he's out the order calls that are that are out that he would look in that. What if that were called. It did whatever mr. would go whatever code posted them as to what happened. The resort to being in the blame the human capital there that you borders that are appropriate. So is pretty fair caught the call ordered the upper bracket there appear look at what we all prepared what was your day I don't think he's. You know go under their way you know. You know he made a big mistake but routers. That say this in geometry. I have that same mission. It stadium when Obama would call whether they decline in the occurred but it felt like there call probably. Wait that movement. Operate there outweighs call we've you know we would contribute more from the predator. You know we've already discussed what can happen and you're still waited there they would be. But even the even if he had a conversation with the president before hand and I would thing on the armed services committee. He would know if the president was planning this and even if he went in any told him that exact thing what you just said Mike. Journey to this being played out in public. I don't think it to be played on public MER I don't think you know you're third and do what are closed or yeah. You've got to look at that statement which the president he does not live there out of public so it. You know it's the wan wan port into one of its record because inevitably. Was adjusting to get to our I think when it comes McCain you'd be bigger than that beyond saying. How are your murder. Narrowed this man's a genuine hero I just think. Team idle at a little bit of petty politics and this disease even in the same party and that just. It just seems an unnecessary to me and while it is wider column order and disappointed in John McCain for doing this I think is a way I should put it. Does say he's been around a long time he knows the system and he knows damn well it didn't have to be said he was mistakenly shot back that's what I think you. What do you think his motive was. Are there and I think you might go under on record you know I've prepared appropriately. In order whatever they're not awkward. UW women's itself what's gonna happen if mom and you know the president ordered everything that like the board. It's something he doors and maybe I'm close but a lot of focus on the Puerto workers on the did you. And it's like regular video within Rocco they're the same way toward it. It has done. A village is that on all operate the company reported. That's myopic on them blank right now you know. No no we anonymous known menu even when it comes to intelligence John McCain could be I'm not saying he has but he could be making political points knowing damn well. That we did get a lot of intelligence and but he knows it'll never come out. I don't I'm not saying that's right I'm just saying it you know a good program. A real quick on a lighter note are ready yet working people. Will the saints. Training in Metairie. A sect and all their season and 2017. The fact they're not going of the green briar anymore. I don't parents are. If you practice it practice weather department a back. And a big statement bank of Alibaba for the entertainment though about the mentality of the player. If they buy into that those gains and I bring it matters what you. And who it is that comes out to practice. I'd thank you might have a good weekend. I got a couple attacks here I think a pretty good as it relates to McCain and trump. Mom what comes as it sounds like you're asking asking McCain to be presidential like they're not asking the president to act. Presidential and announces McCain has be bitter. But trump has to be bigger too because he did not have to respond back and I think those are great points you're right it's not just John McCain and has to be bigger than this. Donald Trump has to be bigger than this and not go after McCain in three of different. Tweets. Time for the USC gets Smart and start winning again and he's talking about John McCain. Emboldening the enemy and I guess hurting mower around on our sides seem to loans a year on double WL. Eight the Mon ami and eight amount of carpet or you point that should not deeply. Public maybe. And are exactly the Easter to you got but that operate. On both sides that it McKay. Yeah it's that's what this country Hitler the military and all Serbs could be. But here via their experience are alike shop at the the child to rub though would be illegal to invite people make in big cities are very sweet. Any personal bury their go back in war and it played out for urgent public. That's what he walked in the door that would do want to be army. That you all. We wanna be order. We're America we don't wanna beat also opened up the this new award. Well you know let me tell you don't let out now that it is not what the book. Steve especially the Nordstrom's thing as the president of the United States you have to be so much bigger than that that has denied even. Did dad has to be some you find about of that find out about it the end of the day in my opinion nom and it sucks so I don't I don't. Yeah yeah I agree with you Steve we got to run coming up to talk about the court ruling yesterday and do you think they made the right a wrong decision. On the back of an appeal.