Jan 16, 2017|
Will the tensions between minorities and police ever be resolved? A majority of police officers in the country say recent high-profile fatal encounters between black citizens and police officers have made their jobs riskier and aggravated tensions. That's the result of a new Pew Research Center study. The survey also found that 72% of officers say their department is now less willing to stop and ask questions of suspicious persons. An overwhelming majority say police work is harder today. Do you trust police? Would you ever wanna be one? Guest host Dave Cohen was joined by Donovan Livaccari, Attorney with the Fraternal Order of Police and Kim Parker, Director of Social Trends Research at Pew Research Center to discuss policing and racial tensions.
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Good morning Dave Conan a think tank for Garland Robinette on this magnificent Monday here in the Crescent City so glad you could be with us. In the think tank today as we take about. Some interesting and important topics over the next three hours this hour we're talking about a recent survey of police officers. Which findings may shock some individuals may not others but either way are huge cause for concern. In a nutshell majority of police officers across the country say recent high profile encounters between black citizens. And police officers like that one in bad numbers that left a black man that. Have made their jobs this year. And aggravated tensions between the community and police officers. The Pew Research Center study also found that 72%. Of officers. Say they or their departments are now less willing to stop and ask questions. Of suspicious persons. An overwhelming majority say. Police work is harder today than it was before these high profile encounters between police and black suspects. Coming up next hour we'll take a look at the state of race relations how hard day in New Orleans and across Louisiana. As well as in this nation and in the 12 o'clock hour. It's gonna be the next mayor of New Orleans it's time for people to make those decisions if they want Iran. Who are the early leading candidates who may be the dark horses and will there be any surprise candidates. And maybe have not gotten a lot of attention. So. That's what we're thinking about today we welcome your phone calls that final four. 2601 late seventy. And you text messages at 87870. Joining us now to help us talk about this Pew Research Center survey of police officers. Is Donovan led the Kerry with the fraternal order of police here in New Orleans and out of ordered. So glad you could join us race relations top of mind today it's Martin Luther King Jr. day a day when we. Celebrate the achievements of the late great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and use it as an opportunity where our week in our progression. Of understanding. Race relations now. What is your initial reaction when you hear that a majority of police officers say their charts that jobs are riskier. Now and there's additional tension between police officers. And the community at 72%. Say they are less likely to stop. Suspicious individuals and question them because of the state of race relations and overall this say it's harder to be account used. I I think that the show findings of the survey are accurate I think that people feel that way. I think that it. You know it is not a sign of the times that we're in right now I think that there have been a lot of high profile. Bomb incidents around the country which have garnered a lot of media attention right or wrong. And I think that. People are hard. Police officers are generally a little bit more wary about. Are taking steps that you know that they might be able to avoid such as. Stopping suspicious persons or our problem. Or using force if it's if it's absolutely required. Our own bit you know I think it's an unfortunate situation that really. I think put the offices in the community at a disadvantage so it's something that they need some attention. Yeah that is not good if your talent means that not only are refining in this serve maybe you're seeing it. In your discussions with police officers here in New Orleans that when there on the streets these days they're less likely. To. Confronts. To question. To stop someone who maybe up to no good. Because. Of the atmosphere. That is surrounding. The job of being a cup these days and they're less likely to use we use said was the required amount of force. That they may be being overly cautious in their dealings with individuals on that could learn our lead to themselves or someone else being hurt or killed. And that's not good when we have a situation where police don't feel like they can't do their jobs which. I would say includes stopping and questioning suspicious individuals. And includes using the correct amount of force. Yeah I think that. You know give them the vast majority of police boxes are out there working hard and they're ready to do with parents bead on that it's almost impossible to. Flat out get rid get that far out of your. That if you do the right dating. Are bad things can happen city and it is unfortunately reinforced. Through our some of those reactions. Some of the media coverage from some of these more high profile. Event I think in reality. Offices in not being penalized for doing what they have to do with doing the right thing. But it can't appear that way and as you well know perception is reality. And so I just think that it's hard for. People to segregate that perception. From Reno. But Dario Donovan monetary with the fraternal order of police about a Pew Research Center study that found 72% of offer users say. They're department is now less willing to stop and ask questions of suspicious persons and a majority say. That the recent high profile encounters between black citizens and police officers like the killing of a black suspect in bad rumors. Have made their jobs are brisk year and aggravated. Tensions Donovan does it seem to matter amongst the opposite is what color of their skin is as to Horrow how hard their job is to do. Our white officers finding it more difficult to do their job now because of these so high profile cases or is it all officers across the board that are saying. Done this is not easy now we are being you know police officers are doing the right thing Irving ostracized publicly. Across the country. Or black officers feeling that you are they as equally less likely to stop and talk to a suspicious person particularly if that birds and as a minority. Because of the fear of what can happen. I haven't noted any difference really between black boxes of white officers. I'm noted I think in that same Saudi that you're wearing two that there appeared to be some. Differences that they discovered. But here in oil and I haven't really found that. That should be an overwhelming problem it seemed like here in the here in New Orleans. Black boxes of white officers generally feel. Are the same way. You know about dealing with these. The situation. Donovan monetary from the general our police joining us let's see what our listeners thank at 504260187. Day. And you can text a sedate 787. A minister Washington joining us Aguilera minister. Glad you could cause on this MLK day what do you think about this. Survey from the Pew Research Center and what you've heard from. Donovan monetary locally with the fraternal order of beliefs. Well there's while Satan paternal police. Did it but something has been on all one way or result shouldn't. All wanted the option news in this polls this whole caramel and so on came all about. When a police don't shoot them there and suspension via Kimura that give us his word not to over read it word. Actually it's their so it was a crescent. Now under scrutiny stated in the call topic is the you know where awards on now. And now miles away all he spoke so. In the acts that's what you spread mr. who come and operas all it I was color. So you blame our are. Don't go ahead down. I think that we've seen in and again referring back to that survey that that you were initially talking about I think that we found that police are suited generally in favor of using. Other body worn cameras. I think that police officers have embraced the use of the cameras and the idea that those cameras will be able Tuesday with some certainty. What happened on a particular scene. I think that you know those cameras are are flawed. But to some extent that any camp would be but I think that it has given that some good insight into what happened on on the streets with these interactions with. Between offices and civilians and a I think furthermore. That the cameras have demonstrated that the bare majority of boxes are doing the right thing. I'm not aware bear in many camera of recordings of of interactions between officers and and and members of the community where it showed. That offices and really stepped over the line. And I think that it's done a good job. Of educating the public and protecting the offices. Only one digit Arctic cameras though also. Help in reinforcing that the officers who know they're wearing the cameras know the cameras are on. I'd does it either one make them more likely to follow their training and follow their instructions follow the rules and regulations or does it too. Make them more nerve season and uncomfortable. That anything they say or do right or wrong could be. Miss perceived or properly perceive them. Well it it's those those things are hard to master but I think if there's probably a little bit of both. Going on there I think that our you know losses are are keenly aware that cameras on and and so. It probably. Has some impact on. On what they do warn. But at the same time I can tell you that one of the adverse result of these cameras has been that. The there is a lot a lot of Monday Morning Quarterback thing going on with regard to how officers handle seemed. In and that doesn't do a whole lot to boost confidence or. The men and women on the street. When you have your own you know people are gonna be second guessing your every move who have not walked in your shoes who don't understand. Everything you were going through in May be just from a small clip. Ten seconds points and thirty seconds that they see without the context of what happened leading up to that. Then there could be a lot of miss interpretation but at the same time it could also tell a story that otherwise wouldn't Beatles. Yes no I think from the larger perspective of telling the story that might not otherwise be told. I think cameras do a pretty good job. I think that they catch. Exactly what mr. Washington was talking about what the person in the ground or not. You know those types of things get caught. Are on the camera do the things that get certain gaps are the little. The little things that go on. And they often lead to disciplinary action and I mean I couldn't I can look at any scene and say OK fifteen years ago I was police officer. And I think I could've done that better. What that doesn't make me right. Just because Letterman opinion epic are booted out of battery and I think that's what goes on a lot is that. Let you sit back and got in Monday Morning Quarterback and however you wanna put it of these smaller things that are going on as opposed to. Though the larger overall questions. Minister Washington do you trust the New Orleans Police Department do you believe the steps have been taken. Q do you view reasons to have faith in this department through the disciplinary action we've seen through the trials and convictions to the addition of things like. Body cameras and other steps to try and ensure. That the NO PD is operating. Legally and constitutionally. Who did the beyond which is there are new initiatives. I want a new ball trophy yields and our tries to respect the law but what jobs being lost in the united state you waters. I don't have no respectful. Full not a body Cameron cam is good Perry used about how we've seen where Cameron didn't work in the patrol talks. Audit and work toward L. You know if you like you happy you sit there is a benefit to all slept in the such suspect. Minister Washington we appreciate golf Donovan what about this and what you see can you say you seize similar. Reactions here in the NO PD what concerns you the most about office. Well I think that it is that the safety. The safety Puerto I think. Members of the community and members of the police department are not well served by any type of hesitation or over. Over analysis. Of situations. I think that officers really need to be able to. Relying on their training and rely on. That bought that doing the right thing is going to be true partner Al com. On. It and don't operate that that offices don't. Feel as strongly. That do the right thing always lead to part about how. Yeah I think the thing that concerns me most is if it's true. But officers are less likely now to stop suspicious individuals. That seems to me it's less likely there to take Dan dangerous people off the street less likely they are to solve crimes less likely are to keep me and my family safe. If they're saying you know I'd like I like suspicious but. I don't wanna get involved. Because that could lead to a situation where. We have more problems for me for the community or for whatever reason gives me concept to feel empowered. Q if they believe they have identified someone who's doing something against the law to. Interact with that individual and 72% of police officers locally and nationwide are not doing Matt has often. I think we have. Communities that artists say we know that there's been trouble hiring police officers and meeting the goals that the NO PD has. To restock the force. Is this part of the problem. The racial tensions were seeing in departments locally and nationwide that people are less likely now to wanna be a cup. I think there's a piece of the possible. Column I don't know that is the single driving factor but a duplicate of piece of the puzzle. You know. There departments around the country are experiencing hiring challenges right now so in New Orleans week. We have our own problem gambler where there was so we use where there was no recruiting on on. And and so we have like a double child Israel and we had to overcome. That. Three or four years where there was absolutely no recruiting going on in there and we Waltz right into the same problems that department from around the country are they using. Where. It's just not that easy to get all five recruit applicants. Which also leads to increased competitions are now where. We here in or own made previously been in competition. With Jefferson Parish. Which played an art was saint Tammany for potential recruits. Now we're in competition went. Ballots Atlanta. Austin. You know these. Yeah we are doing when you have drought nation wide the demand for each candidate. Is hired out of him I saw appreciate your joining us. In talking about this on this Martin Luther King Jr. day and a will be talking to you again real soon joining us now is the director of social trends research. At the Pew Research Center cam Parker camp thanks so much for joining us on the smartly the king junior day. I paint make that ninety Ricky got. I was fascinated and troubled by the findings of your serve today about police officers and how old recent high profile. Race. Infused cases across the country have really changed the way the cops are doing their jobs and not necessarily for the better watch. Of your findings do you think are most. Import and on this Martin Luther King Jr. day. Didn't. Like really camp out at bat last at eighty extra technically not at their state chapter harder. In Italy at the crack Coke island property leaked black. Black majority the there's department our markets are about CE. More reluctant he's bored and out though that it happened question current issue. I would want that they take. Is there any different strain white officers black officers and officers of other. Races and backgrounds in terms of their willingness now to stop and talked to suspicious individuals because of these resent. Incidents involving. But black suspects being shot and killed. Yeah there where there where they rate differences are there especially between light black rock Jerry. That overall I about it being more typical cubic got out there in content in between black right and got a static harder. But then he can. You're looking aren't specifically at high pro at how to act and I'll that protests that have ala went could be different is that we aren't like that wipe out there. A majority and that he kept it. I profiling in our. Are isolated incident credited kind of brought a problem. And when you look at practically popped their majority and making birdie it I'm a writer brought to actually. That was one B cap. We ask that we out. Some other ones as well. You know it's I think trouble laying it that any time you have a situation where a police officer is. Not sure if they are doing their job correctly and that makes them wonder if they should view. What they think they're supposed to do and if they're less likely to stop. And talk to suspicious individuals that they're less likely to confront a suspect. Who they believe may be. And criminal or may have committed a crime I think that puts us all of a situation where were add additional risk where we're gonna have more bad. Add guys out on the street if they're good guys. Are hesitant to even stop and talk to. You know I'm definitely early years sitting next to eat they are a million arguing that Eric is. Then factory not strictly. Interviewed said that they give him respected by the keeper that they police. And they also didn't ebony chipper and he technique you know. Most of the people in areas me at least share their Alley that there isn't as sent a commonality between. Police and the public but at the 96% of opposite stated there are and I and it cracked the coaches aren't active create mind. And portly port pretend they don't eat or early in the heart typical way you can feel like a (%expletive) about your general chat a public. I think he'd like in articulation. A different approach appropriate. Do they think to the public trusts them by and large. It feel that they are respected by the public and we asked them specifically the public trust that we asked if they are and learn every encounter it at 88 and that back during op there. Now I really you know that the public debt at a truck and I injured their capital yet. Talking Kim Parker pew research senator majority of police officers in the country to help you. That the high profile. Fatal encounters between black citizens and police officers have made their jobs are riskier and aggravated tensions. 72%. Say. Their departments are now less willing to stop and ask questions of suspicious persons. Overall. Based on what you've seen in the trends from this study and the others that you've done. Is the face of policing changing. Or does it look like that this is a temporary. And a reevaluation. You know this effort speak Serbian police thought the players that we eat I'm really partnered with American patient had previous there ain't. Really ask these question and he tried profiling and we need the port aren't you happy I'd buy or couple that aren't that he can I debate I'm going forward we'll be able PP. If it they're Martins an elector action but for now I'll have you know be prepared if you interpret action packed packed. Cam Barker on this Martin Luther King Jr. day anything else from the survey or others you've done as the director of social trends that you. Do you think are most pardon and as we consider race relations in our communities and particularly between our police and our communities. You know we network upgrade the site and directly our. Actual act. The public and the clean out their outlet and country meet that change is located in order for black hat equals raped with white and I went on that question black and white have very different. A year ago. Current critically population accounts that the general population so boring. Black Americans elect I don't need change we need it that we Acker. Probably make that change is needed to bring about equal rights and that. If that is that I that we patent their game it was in the past year. Technically he's fine topic every relation aren't generally are actually I'll buy there's you. That they elect had little change is needed to bring about equal rights at lax. And only when he and a laptop in a way CC acting based absolutely different outlook. When the public in the. I guess it is refreshing at least that the police in the public that the police in some ways our reflection of our overall society and that's I think what they should be because. You want your police officers to be members of the community. And to reflect your community. And but I think they walk in very different shoes and they have very different experiences on a day to day basis that will. Impact their perceptions next hour Ammann jumped just a little ahead here I'm gonna leave you with this next hour asking has gotten doctor Martin Luther King's dream come true. Are we now judged on the content of our character rather than the color of our skin based on what you found. Some people seem to believe so others believe that'll never happen. Yet one important point out is that when you know technically working out seller. Inner right front gate at it look at the demographics that we worked overtime and it had the conflict occurred at twelve and it really not the techniques why are African American now Trout and panic attack. This year better black reflects. Closely with the general public. And it kinda significantly will be decade and this year and pat aptly sport without an increase but women Brittany back underground and it Ellen Trout technically. There are out here let. You know all the Catholic population and. Kim barker Pew Research Center thank you so much for sharing this information with us as weak. Take a look at race relations here across the country and particularly with nepalese on the Smart and the king junior day have a great. It. Kim Parker from Q Hank thanks for calling your on WWL what do you think about this Pew Research Center study that found that. Most cops and their jobs are harder now because of the reason ho high profile high racial tension cases. And that they're less likely to stop and talk these suspicious individuals or confront possible criminals. Well I absolutely do not could not condone any. Crime. Person done anything wrong especially violent crimes but. Syria and yet in the wrong question but just a question you ask what that the police. Blaine. What else. Well you can't outweigh. What you see. Somebody else would do what we want to see the camera we believe. It. Don't trust him or. I thought I thought about let me carry and I both agreed by and large that the cameras. Are good and that they provide a much better opportunity. To determine what happened in a situation but they're not perfect. This is the pole at that I guess most people don't do it actually. Know races are you not at all what. Can tell you that's been gone. 800 use. On the count him out that didn't meet people don't know that happened always told him about national. Yeah people. 00 does it happen. So that shall. And we. Oh possibly. And it stopped dead at Kapalua. And at an emotional. They can match to match you question what would you do for eleven. Okay well in his eyes. I was when I was gonna try to do drug problem there is no doubt we've had some bad cops across this country do some bad things and we've had some bad cap right here in New Orleans. Do some very very bad things we know that but. Talking about painting with a broad brush are we then wrong to say all police officers behave this way all cops are bad end. If we do that and I think a lot of people have been doing that. Isn't that what we end up with a lot of caps saying hey our jobs harder to do now and you know what I'm not stop and talk into a suspicious individual because if it goes sideways. I may end up being the one get in trouble even if I do the right thing. Thank you at some point just a little bit but I appreciate you know compensation. But the point is. This has been assist them in a lot police department. If you didn't. Applaud. Quite a number of decade decade choke like usually a bad they they. Achieve different than normal. Police department. It is urgent that it. No it's not hard to imagine that and I know there have been bad counts and it more so in the past may be that and the president hopefully anyway. I understand your frustrations and I appreciate your call Lloyd thanks for calling your on WW. And on RI what do you think do you think that. We are more at risk now as citizens of cops are less likely to actually do their jobs because of these high profile cases we've seen. With black. Suspects being shot guilt. The entire year. Our day it then that's a lie or propaganda. Woody. Akamai Pew Research Center isn't pretty. Notable and trust worthy organization that has done a great job of documenting how people across this country feel in fact usually the people accuse them of being too liberal. Now your account as a member of working for the job. No I'm not chip them low or part of our student a bit since. We're at the question. We're talking about. That in court. Ilk are at that they can't now go a bit and that's what. A bit of power and so are we relying on. Earth. Day what is. Not. Well if you don't rely on the opposite determinant in what some wanna have an account out there in the first place. Thanks a caller caller it's an interesting text messages at age 7870. We talk about the survey that found. 72% of police officers say. There are less likely now to stop a suspicious individual in question them because of the high profile incidents. In which black man have been shot and killed. In the United States one person says it also means cops won't bother innocent black males who were addressed suspiciously. Or get bothered for hair styles it's a catch 22. So while. We may have been pointing out the negative. Of a cop who is hesitant. To talk to be suspicious individual or confront any would be criminal this person does not keeps them from confronting the innocent people who may happen. To look suspicious at least of that officer. Another presence of the police are not very key piece say. They're there to avenge you win you failed to keep yourself say. And another text message says when you have black leaders and black lives matter movement calling for killing police officers and whites. You wonder why we have a race problem c'mon man. Deanna thanks for calling your on WW. Yeah hi Deanna. I'm doing all right what do you think about the survey that finds cops feel them jobs are more dangerous they're less likely to stop and talk to suspicious individuals. And overall it's harder to be a police officers Tuesday. Eric I have a direct accountability are helpful are out there that they are repeat age that they will let court. In the public. Immediate help. You know there be some sort of what media and end the twit guy Eric do in the it department in their bodies aren't amount of column and he like Al amount high it would help start the you know. What it would be here. Don't eat out. Out why are people you know so. You know the whole apartment should be taught. We appreciate the call the and I thank you coming up next hour has gotten doctor Martin Luther King's dream. Become a reality.