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9-21 6am Tommy, WHY do they radicalize?

Sep 21, 2016|

Tommy talks to Arie Kruglanski, Professor in Psychology at the University of Maryland, about why people become terrorists. Tommy also talks to Victor Asal, Director of the Center for Policy Research at the University of Albany SUNY, about the threat of homemade bombs.

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Now it's marred WW well first news with Tommy soccer WW LA MI famine dot com. David the problems we millennial space until onion ideas I'm beyond. Even being able to cope with it and it's tough duty Maloney a lot of it is against student debt on an ornament do about trying to get out of my parents' house and on and off I'm gonna have. I don't know it's just and then mine. You don't remember basement you know all I have basements here on my I devices ski crash. So. And I realize and stop it is they don't realize it we have the 1835. Age group eighteen that there years articles. And uneven you know. He went in my graduate you know I mean yeah lot of concerns and are your complexion to let's. And a lot of cancers well. I'm always so people here don't highlight the other way. Yah right go or if you if for example 45 tell PP your settings and a look at wow. You look great yeah but. If on the other hand you're 45 and you tell people you're twenty they say well at the ice show you why these and other O line 11 Kerry knew exactly the other way castle organs seven year old however saying and that's what I'm talking about and a seven year old. Members of the opposite sex depending on what you are digging. Yeah. More to talk about this terrorism thing an idea that. I thought was so interesting that actually got up and wrote it down on mine I devices. Lowers its otherwise known an empty envelope. Was an envelope. If you look at what happened with Rahal meanie cut eases pain how many lower. Eads in the bottom line is we just miss this terrorist the terrorist. But guy with the bombs he had a lot of domestic issues and first off imitate this when your father. Calls the FBI and tells him you're a terrorist up and you can patch things up after that and all live together. If you have trouble in your family where you think you'll never speak together. If they can get over that that I would think you might be able to get over whatever it is that's gone on your family your return soft because if you are and naturalized citizen from Afghanistan and your dead calls the FBI and say is a dead this not needed they can always the candidates. Melanie that if you can catch that up by gosh. Anything's cost. You don't agree god on our agree I guess he just wants to excel on the chicken and hold on while. Only data about the American dream and could this leads you Syrian refugees and being news series but this could this actually be a cautionary tale. As we consider letting the Syrian refugees again. Because if for whatever reason and they say this guy had a kid in high school he was under intense economic pressure and that's why I was in around about the millennial thing. I know this is about G hotter it was about being a millennial and haven and the pressure any thought the United States dream wasn't available for him. And I just wonder if the reality doesn't match your refugees version of the American dream. And it doesn't work out form. Could that then leads them to become more easily radicalized are you get the serious point and make it. I've liked and out to 60187 and what you think doctors and experts as well but primarily I wanna talk to you because no one. You're the one I care about the experts here we have a Mona give us some information ballot and would you think. Talk about this terrorists and guess you'd say alleged terrorist although it is. Don't think a lot of doubt as to. He was the guy that did it doors of the reasons for him doing it very crude Lansky joins us right now distinguished university professor. In psychology and expert on psychological aspects of terrorism good morning doctor. Thanks taking time witness. And legalities aside is there any doubt that this is the guy or the reason for which he did what needed. Not in my mind there's enough evidence that it was. I actually took their propaganda of al-Qaeda that he mentions of probably about them. Even in note says that he mentioned how blocking these notes that there. You prayed for did you. That he planned to be successfully companies. It is little doubt that there because he's motivation. In looking back you know yielding about hindsight it being perfect vision and so forth. Well these father at one point complained that there is something terrorists then what is slightly disturbing news that the FBI. Investigated human that was blown for a case they say in recent history. Where. Subsequent to perpetrate or where he should be investigated by the FBI and somehow they missed itself. The underwear bomber right doctor. Underwear bomber same thing I think yes it. From Somalia the Indian Detroit Christmas Day of The Dead said evidence that. Terms and you know the company's San Bernardino and did Obama team. So and and you know perpetrators of that Boston Marathon bombings so I think that the FBI has to look into. They're procedures and and they Howell is ended. A they're done it seemed of these. So how do you then draw there is between that and profiling and there are certain setting conditions that would mean somebody right. I would think to be radicalized in and when a family members telling you they have been. I don't know what the law says or it's one thing to look back and say we could seen is common. The family member told the FBI so they really should have seen it coming that idea. In in America who do with the constitutional rights that we all enjoy hi how do you. Prevent something like this rather than. Coming into its Northern Trust I mean if if the family member provides evidence that fit the person tends to be. Sympathetic to their radical causes. It's not just that random crop I think there's some. Evidence that should be looked at the very carefully and very vigilant to lead to follow opted. And not let this thing did you that'll put it to the extent that he did. I don't think that you know that it is it is the case of justice and the random profiled at the airport because somebody. He took given racial or ethnic a category. Gates enters an edit an eighty year old woman will be pulled model line through it consulate in Nebraska or her whole life but yet when a father tells. Father that is and naturalized citizen from Afghanistan tells the FBI his son. Is it terrorists entries and Afghanistan. I don't I don't understand that and also doctor Komansky when you look at this guy he. Became a father at. As a teenager in high school. He had severe financial problems. Government and an apartment that he couldn't afford. Wound up living with his family again and and you know skin around about this before but if you can. Go back to living with somebody. If your father calls the FBI and tells them you're terrorist an annual all go back living in the same house together. I guess senses something about yeah it's never hopeless for any family however there was a a domestic incident the police got called etc. Is I'm getting to docking it seems like listening to some of his problems. It seems like he shared that of a lot of other Mullen the cells. And I just wonder if he was open a radicalization. Because. What he thought was the American dream lord opportunity didn't work out for him because he said he was. I think discriminated against because he was. Muslim or Middle Eastern Afghani I really think about oh. Well I think that he definitely had their view on that translated into these let you go onto a radical ideology. But I think that demean those threats facing top. As tough circumstances they. And other polarization political polarization. Economic recession. Very difficult to live up to the American dream tended to do better than one parent. Discrimination. On good ethnic religious lines. So they'll be that very trying circumstances for the particularly is that our sale of the media system and the Asian descent. He because that these groups are now targeted day. In various ways and they have blamed for it as a violent that we feel around us so. You know it's very difficult to be at millennium particulate in the eastern. He sent in and did this creates a situation where. Radical ideology. Seems to be a very appealing. A way to go because it offers galleries offers. A potentially get offers personal significance so yes you're absolutely right. And and here's the other part of that in that is could an anti about the last night. Could this be a cautionary tale as we consider what Syrian refugees. To lead in in the United States because if for whatever reason. They think obviously would be better where they are but they feel as though everything's been taken away from they come to the United States for whatever reason they. Received that they are not being given a fair shake in that. You know it's it's slightly better here than it was there I'm just saying in their mind now that that's their perception. It would seem like that could open them up to radicalization so somebody that is fine now perhaps if say a millennial. Becomes disenchanted and all of a sudden you got a potential terrorists on it. You know in big dip in these situations create moral dilemma for all of us because on the lot and you're does there have to be better very carefully and they could become. Possibly radicalized because of the circumstances. That they'll be facing in this country. About on the other hand do we have our ideas so that accepting immigration know that. Taking Carol that the dumped voted did refugees and there we have to we have to mitigate. Is that because current. The other thing is that you know he we if we react toward strongly. Two that by refugees and immigrants and often in Genoa. This is going to that backfire and it must some communities that are going to be more Europe and drug accommodations. Because of the bitterness and the perceived injustice. And that they pick of the day cooperation of Muslim community in particular is essential to are being able to detect. Possibly sign the radicalization. As well as the evading justice it is seeing. And inseparable bitterness that they've made. It made me the pushing individual front positions so. It's a very very. Mind. During fraught with that we've all kind of thing is that we have to navigate very carefully. And it's also in addition to being an MI ND ED terrain it's an MI in. It is the government doing enough our government dictate combat that propaganda efforts. And do whatever it is that radicalized as people or is it all about this actual would you read about situation you're in. Yes I think that the government is not doing enough size that there was the initiation of the counter violent extremism. At Ford did not survive by the White House but I think. It took full well what I can see it was a loud he dropped I don't see much of it developing in the is necessary so. Two make preventive Florida's weather. There are the College Station affords to lose to to have a counterpart appoint to look at radical ideology that is so attractive to many people. So you know the the kids said at one point Iowa column kid the terrorists at one point that he was. I think that he changed his mind the father says that he changed his mind the FBI is well. How likely is it that somebody once radicalized is legitimately going to change their mind and say you know what it seemed like a good idea at the time. But now I see the error my way is there isn't one to go that way you go their way. He can't happen now I think they're human life is very flexible and the same way that the person can. I'd be radicalized they can beat the rap the guys and they can be rerun because. You don't depend on the circumstances. If you find an alternative way of feeling good about this as insignificant. That you made about them than they do you which is very extreme way and say that that you've simplified life you. You put all your eggs in one basket you're ready to die so. You know it's not that easy it is psychological mindset to be in so people can be erratic guys can be prevented from the position. But that this has to be considered as fourteen community schools. Are you incidents society. Programs that it is and it embodied their best practice says the times can offer and that has not been happening in. Doctor are becoming new loans when they would have lunch for about four hours myopic you bring. You have a great day doctor Eric Polanski distinguished university professor in psychology. An expert on the psychological aspects. Of terrorism on a what you think is thing is so bizarre with this terrorist is one angle is that he they think he bought the ingredients. For the bomb. Bombs on eBay got to that they senate not enough he was bidding on these things and if he didn't get them what building it happened to I don't know how I have got one thing I bought from me day. And those years ago from my daughter was a little poke a Mon figure that she had to have been negative from on on twelve bucks it was broken. Now what he'd do from that point here on orchard on a lunatic. Ollie didn't you and is very angry about that very angry that a be ripped off for twelve bucks from on time. Jarrett in Baton Rouge morning earn double WL. More. I idolize. Like all. They're. Way. Asian. Either port. See how other told Leah he really. He back to call 80. An hour a lot. Well father did well call the FBI. The FBI you heard that he was saying that is on was terrorism and reported him and that's where the FBI got involved at least according to Washington Post. Not quite so much. And you know it is now. I I see the report are bigger than a day job. Tommy would really. They're pretty. They're. At all. PC. That all you want it local or. Act. He. I. Well. Should that. Oh well but at the shoot you. Up. Or. Oh. Jake poppy how are. You all. Tract ought. So you've seen the report anything else. Anything else you can tell us that has not been reported that you rent. Thought. It. All. I. You know ball. Drop all that really dropped the ball. Back clear. Radio. And India now. Not that they dropped the ball. All of the procedures that are for it had because they're one and and G moniker. I get to the WTO so the FBI dropped the ball. And I know what you saw but I'll take it to words that you you are speaking the truth 643 and the father yesterday. Amongst the phalanx of reporters was saying in the crush of reporters was and I told the FBI. That he was terrorists so. Reliant now the July then not huge air into but the father's. A minder rock Hamid the terrorists. And get it forego the word alleged. With the New Jersey in New York bombings of Victor has solved joins us right now director of the center for policy resurgent and associate professor. In the department of political science morning senator. Our pretty good enough I invite you should be supervisor. Amused the fact that he got the supposedly it's being reported he got some of the ingredients he needed to make these bombs off of the. That's not too hard to do real the Internet. Has changed. How to do many things and one of the things that's changed and do this atomic bombs. So Tommy. Forty years ago or thirty years ago if you want to make a bomb pursuit I don't know how to make it. And that's not something that everybody knows that it is seat on supple books. And the cook books out there from making bombs tactical fine want Taiwan gets some Bologna one. These days only got to do it on the Internet the. Com. In the in terms of I had a professor on yesterday and suggest that the NS. And tired of shake my head Emmys she says that maybe we should consider the sale. Oh or the availability of pressure cookers and manages. Void that used. That you shot me I mean you can't you can't do it seems like every time you you if you find if for example if you were outlaw pressure cookers and it sounds ridiculous to say it. People are gonna find some other type device Alina. Yes so I think there's something that talking about restricting or outlawing makes sense. Two Indy. It's very very easy to make a bomb if you know how and the real challenges of that information is out there. In most places on the web. And if you take away pressure cookers there are other ways to make off. Is there any way. There could be any kind of realizing at First Amendment concerns here our Fourth Amendment actually. About. Then diagrams almost where well. That gave you by this ingredient no big deal you buy that item no big deal you buy this one but wait a minute if we got an intersection at these four points. That would indicate. Did you get the bomb is an odor are attempting to make a bomb is anything that's practical they could even work. Could work possibly atomic do you want to. Amazon and Google and everybody else to be giving the government every. Single purchase you make online but they pretty well they keep it any league don't they result in not all it's not all. Put into one. Resource where. Basically everything you're doing is being tracked. You can opt out various. Tracking mechanisms. So it's possible thing to do but I think it raises a tremendous. Civil civil rights concerns. About people's ability to live their lives mean what you would topping your highlighting here. Is that real challenge that we face between being a democracy. And combating. Terrorist. Because is as democracy there are certain things that we just don't wanna do. And if you start going in the direction of doing those things are moving in the direction from being away from the democracy. Is this biggest threat we face arm in the country would we know that wouldn't be a homemade bombs and the availability of ingredients and the limitations when it comes at. Is seen in new controlling who gets and who doesn't. I think it depends on what you mean by biggest threat so there are threats that are more common. Like this kind of homemade bomb and there are threats that are much less common but much much bigger threat. So for example. Chemical biological weapons attacks. Are harder to really pull off. But they're much much more serious threat to United States and. So. In if you viewer to prevent heard Taylor did have did develop a plan to prevent this sort of thing and is there any such unless you. Weigh in my issue willing to you is you kind of alluded to earlier Gil appear a lot of your rights and people always talk about Israel but I think those people who have never been Israel. Yes so I think I agree with you on the that last point I think that what the FBI has stopped a lot of attacks. And I think one of the issues is to. Our increased the resources of the when tips come in like it's father's. Those kinds of people can be followed for a long period of time. In terms of the issues that that they that they raise. But again there's a limit to how far we can go before we start hurting our ability to continue this democracy. Appreciate your time talking and we have more often great cancer victors so director of the center for policy research and associate professor in the department of political science. At the university of Albany. As UN mine Tommy Tucker governor Avila that he will this'll continued talk about the terrorism incident Andreas can also that's his point comeback.