Jul 30, 2016|
Day 2 of Saints Camp is in the books! Who stood out and who blended in?
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap and Jeff Palermo talks LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap and Jeff Palermo talk LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap talks LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap talks LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
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Welcome back to double coverage here on dividend AL AM FM dot com. Speedometer he's Christian you're meets him back here in the Crescent City Atlanta moves he has KG. Is it equality in and out lose Byrd West Virginia hold them down in his room. Well. Just remembering what else noted I yeah who is. So that I remembered what we canning cannot talk about on there and he had checked myself yes I actually thought lord spoke to notes on the get a note individually doing but every now and in a renowned and empted by the two Christian date to the saints camp in the books talks into our number one I'll probably talk to. Then at least thirty minutes here Israel you're in such change coming up in about ten. Gonna go more Thompson when he get to in load give it to the audience takes an aids agreed to recall five before two is still wanted to viewing continued talks in suit our. We can't we might end up switching to our presidential conversation halfway through but. So the big news to come out of date Q today KG was pretty. Impressive catch by the rookie Michael Thomas. I'll. While looking it was a crowd it was without a doubt the catch of the of the last reach it's it's really. Yesterday outside line account. Five Dallas sideline lays out one it diving catch in the end zone. Leo looked. He's done this this just today. YE your optimistic in his goodbye for Sean Payton. Lately on our shortly thereafter to this but. He's been noticed that the together for quite some time soon as the reason why yeah a lot of optimism. About Michael Thomas having. The ability to make an impact each year in a pretty big one look I said it wrote about it today. I feel. That there early. You talk rookie the year. Well a follow. Your ten dollars. Hard excel under and it do we have a hot exam under. And visitors that we don't do enough pot takes. Wait K Jimmie that's yeah that's them pretty effusive praise do you think. And and and I look. I can understand why they consider that you really have not heard a negative thing about Thomas since he has been with these teams have KG say it. One more time what you just said bell monetize this opposite Michael Thomas is the legitimate candidate. To be rookie of the year. Well we'll talk about it. Area adds that about their jobs and the yet does that is that it's carpet got to Examiner's. Heck that is at least up argued tell it it sounds like Randy potentially have an eye care when it suits from. Outlook and and and and I get it man I really do you go because. That's really not that crazy of a statement when you look at not just how he played but the offense he's going to be. Looking at least needed last year right. Was it was down the lowest in almost a thousand yards was he rookie or what. He just is first time really getting to play last season. I think you have the was a six year Tim is saying. From behind the glass but kind of for all intents and purposes or to not working with the same skill set that Michael Thompson himself. Given the fact that you know Drew Brees and his offense in this success in Toms had thus far he expect big things out of the Ohio State receiver potentially. Speaking of Ohio State saints. Is if you now anomaly James they're nice to also Vaughan bell the safety now he. Picked softer breeze yesterday. Kate dog did you sea breeze is a response when asked about the bell interception. And good for him won't happen again. Yeah shows you how competitive breezes and it sounded a little ST. That people were asking him about it. Eight likely to have his nose rubbed in it that's for sure hey look it's better than. We'll Corey white said a couple years ago before he even took a snap against Drew Brees news draft becomes ounces. Yeah I can't wait to pick off the reason practice that outline. The ultimate. Jackson. Trees. Yes it looked nothing like good news from Michael Thomas votes for and it it's like he's Christians acting days. Not just having one good practice or a couple good plays which you can be consistent performer. Acts would makes evoke just excited he has a prospect is eakins the real consistency. Before we switch over to the Davis Alan conversation. Did anybody else. In our dog hot cakes or observations. From the first couple days before you rate for that. Lott. CJ Spiller Republican's do say he was he's now limited a little bit and it put him in the in the team drills that some walked through that some. Some individual drills the way that they were all that. That lower Q you've been up here and it's that synthetic her right there on the lower field. Not the natural grass and anybody that steel with a knee injury or coming off a knee injury. He'll eat you wanna try to keep him beaten you know have that pounded on the joints it's that are in particular on that few because it's not as forgiving. It's like runner on and concrete so yeah CDs though it was was given. A bit of he looked at face it he's on a bit of a pitch count right now and rightfully so. He can see this kind of behavior from CJ Spiller the scenes there on the same page were every couple days depending on the field they're practicing on it has been around how many reps he got the team for. They might you of that hail. Now the only it. The Wear it there yeah yeah and they I guess we're maybe saints fans to concern is that you play on play amateur but gratitude to your point don't necessarily. Practice on the turf and airline all the time. Have your expectations. Changed. For CJ Spiller BK's for as high as they work. Going into last season. I would have never imagined that a year later I mean you know we just talk about Michael Thomas yeah do you look at this Alter its of course she's going to be great like. Dat boy is how I felt that CJ Spiller but even more concrete and really. Bar in the eighty yard touchdown against Dallas which you know when you regain ground and not much came out of it so. I don't have many expectations has he given you has he given saints fans a reasons to be more excited. Well one thing that I I can. Tell you that might be a reason for optimism as in terms of his production this year. He talked about a lashing he couldn't really but with confidence on these issues go back in the about it. How many times that he duck out of bounds when he beat UK law ultimately because he was yeah started again. The day he just wasn't top quality he said today that he really didn't feel culpable. On that neat. It till right around July beginning of this month so it it shows you. Look at it and athletes not confident in their body that's how they make their living they're not confident in their body. That man it really diminish their skills so yeah I think it's awaits the approach for CJ Spiller put I what does I know Sean Payton said. Early the offseason there's a noticeable. Difference with them in the east he's got the train guy out wanna see it over the course of a we have two weeks into the pre season. So last year which Spiller the mayor of kind of emerged. That. It was less his health and more maybe and mentally. Not yet fully understanding what the same to wanted to draw accidentally. What what what are we believe now to be featured I guess out of those two choices. I think you probably got a not like it yes exactly. Yet it's a bit of both and because he acknowledged that he said it was a lot like my rookie year getting acclimated one to the playbook is so he economic knowledge that so. I think it is the injury I think it is also. Because as we talk about how simple this defense could be under this Allen right now. The offense is extremely. Complex I've known that everybody knows that if you're asking the players or players. And because you gotta release more quarterback heroes mark play caller that can handle. Clout complex situations complex scheme so that that might have been a part of the issue. Well allow the entry procedures. Aren't coming up next here on double coverage yet inside saying to Chris you're you'll finally get into this really. Well. Kill again tees so much to this point engage occasionally I've we'll talk about did sound a bit. Who we get back here as well as double coverage under the LAM after the dot com. Welcome back to double coverage along with T Bob Hebert on Kristian garic saints' training camp well underway two days into camp injuries force and a team to tweak the roster today. The saints officially announce the signing of veteran wide receiver Hakeem Nicks. Sean Payton says knicks worked out on two occasions with the team this offseason. Obviously inexperienced receiver. He's in good shape. You know he he was kind of up on the short list. If this. We had a number we do so I think his experience. Yet strong hands and traffic and I guess that we were real familiar with them just because. On two different occasions we have mental workouts and plus he wouldn't stop Texan. Anyway but. So he was able breakfast gets reps. Knicks responding to paid his jab there about the text messages you'll just a subtle reminder that he was ready to go in the text were. On return though by Pete. Six lives so that meant that his. He was that I martz thing but benefits in the everything. Nixon 28 so he's not quite the old guy in the room but he's the most experienced white out on the saints' roster branding cooks welcomes knicks to the mix but says being young is no longer an excuse for not playing well. Is game you know you can't relate to use. You know hold you back from being great and you know that's the way I think about it that's why we often about in general you know we might be young but. Donna we've all alone make great plays and we'll do big things you know when I don't wait until our fifth sixth year with the Laguna. Coach is going into his third season trying to build on a sensational. Second half of 12015 his focus yards after the catch. You know that's why need to be done and not to be open kiss you know my short routes and taken distance and that's that's what's going to be all about and with that and you know best known defense norm. What route you're running against that type of defense and always go you know without the focus is what. Michael Thomas had to catch of camp nevermind that were only two days in you won't see another diving one handed grab like this one. For the rest of camping you might not see the regular season neither Sean Payton like we saw although. Confidence comes from demonstrated ability even to think it you can hope it was for. A place like that give a player like that then the confidence to make the next one the next one and so. You know for him you're you're seeing. Growth spurts like from your eyes we all are and so that's really hurting especially for a first report. The saints back off the rest for running back CJ Spiller is coming off knee injury riddled when he fifteenth season Spiller was plagued by a knee injury like I mentioned it last season limiting his playing time and his effectiveness reaching the end zone just two times last year however Spiller says he's close to being the explosive playmaker he was a buffalo finally starting to feel well earlier this summer. After the fourth of July that's not done better and it I don't my first time getting out there trying to think. That first out this is it good that hadn't had done in some home and once I made that first cut doing Madrid. Spiller could be fighting for roster spot during camp with the others like to our cadet Tim Hightower Marcus Murphy and deal last go fighting for. That coveted time in the back field. The saints added veteran offensive line help signing John fully ten. Pointed came minicamp in Tony fourteen as an undrafted rookie free agent out of Washington State with the Packers he's also bounced around. On practice squad to the cardinals and 49ers. The pads go on tomorrow rookie defensive tackle Sheldon Rankin is we want to watch. Always is going to be good fun and obviously knows is going to be heated you know. In Nevada sawdust all part of putting the pads off. Who's gonna continue to work here for days and maybe better on won't work to make him better and I was gonna build them. The bad start popping tomorrow morning at 830. That wraps up this week's edition of inside the saints here on WWL I am FM and W him well dot com. That was our main man cagey cagey take about the job is great and sides expect. I guess yeah. To be honest as streets of on the Internet that it really here I think it bigger via a holder is you know I have the audience Jordan learned some positive things. That's who we can always for mission. So I got a couple directions like go right now. TJ needing though that you what you add on your inside tapes for Rea move. Now other than where isn't pointing out the highlights. Or what Sean Payton had to say about Michael Thomas you know saying things like hey look you're seeing in grew up. Before our very eyes that's pretty Lafferty says it all shopping. Day two yes. I see on their I want the item on the Michael Thomas or rookie of the year bandwagon. Hum my tongue on the roof my map actually that's the old saying better to worse when you burn the root your mouth. Some pizza there over the course of the next three days just constantly bugging you and maybe even born to ease but at same time so horrendous which no one. Yemen and I've got a Twitter Paula Cuba to be here right now as far as rookies. Where your expectations are. These sanctions are most excited for and if you won just Texas needs and meet semi which rookie are you most excited for is a Michael Thomas. Is it Sheldon lankans or is it on bell and in the fourth choice would be other if you're going for some of the against. Under court in the dark horse candidates there and what are those dark horse candidate Christian as I accidentally stumble and segue is. Annual Haskell and the only reason. I bring that name up he's gonna wanna ask you about him. Because the saints posted a video on Twitter and just him like you know it whatever news him run ball but. Do you. This dude hand he can run he can fly. Like his worst. And I'm sure his top in speed and that's great as well but he's zero to sixty it looked like. So on the out of a video. The look. Heat tested through the roof could become might have like eleven it's our eleventh put skis eleven foot broad jump yeah. His vertical was through the roof late forties pieces. Yea rush for over 12100 yards a junior now. Let me let me add this I think the reason why. He he gave drafted until the seventh round was because he edited for production obviously senior year what caused that matter maybe an injury. But also what I understood this is something that I was told right after the draft is it really wasn't that significant of an injury is much is it was. He got a little virus that caused him to lose some weight inexplicably ended up finding gloves that are up. So his weight dropped home made about a ten or twelve pounds so in that you know that. That that is that that was a concern at the time because you know scouts start hearing that it'll be a star put that in reports and that's it. And sir just for like life right he'd like to ask badly losing weight didn't yes absolutely. And fortunately. Fortunately it was just you know it was nothing major in heated up. In Italy that Bonnie in the seventh round he's humble kid you can tell that he just as I was that at this early today. He has the mindset that personality that required it's required. To have success in this league given the circumstances. That he's trying to make this roster and look I think markets Murphy. Last year seventh round pick out of Missouri is the one that's on the the biggest bubble ball I mean I like he goes and talks about it today. At that told me he said look Marcus is very well aware. He has had much as the good camp but a great camp in order to make his roster so. He's in jeopardy. And it's because he put the ball around a couple times last years apart and gained Alaska can play special teams that's just as a returner he can help you if you need them to their but really as a daughter they already got really they have really want to daily news on her feet by Dixon did they use Murphy and gonna roll and all last season. No no really they didn't he was returner be they try to use the. Because of pure speed that he would did he win that are potentially be in that that running. Now. I think that. That value for Alaska O is being a Gunner on special teams he could I think give you more snaps if something goes down. With would Mark Ingram that Marcus Merck and who you have more confidence in Karina rocket carried a ball between the tackles newbie gain Alaska more so the more it's working so. I think he he brings it a little more value me in in what people you know what he can. Offer use for the team special teams snaps on offense. And also you know just being able to be able to be in the past he's got really good hands well. Yells Murphy fan last year in you know idea. Feel for Murphy and that due to the united stress times compete for a job like we said what's at stake is going for making hundreds of grand instantly. You know what my get a view to have even have a job anymore. But that said. That that competition. That's only going to squeeze the best lake squeezing blood out of a stone that's going to squeeze the absolute best out of both markets Murphy and in Alaska one of the under under the radar. Position battles to keep an eye on. To the phone lines you up early in Metairie who has a question for his burly what's up. Nothing man just to hang out and buy yourself. Don't check out newsweekly well. Yes I did that come out today yet at its. The day. I gotta get emotionally prepared man I'm already crier like openly we'd been at the industry arranger things. Episode eight so. Yeah I IE I'm I'm I'm just gonna be I'm gonna be exhausted by the end of that Gleason would be if I mean what it Peter King city last week that it's like the most touching film that he's ever seen something along those lines. Is your dad's seen it twice he said news it's unbelievably better bring several boxes teachings. Yeah hopefully you know what I'm gonna put on the scheduling enough and do this weekend white set a town I mean you. Course in time I go yeah I don't nights I don't I don't early solo so what you got man. Could go to get cut on the B. Jenkins thanks in at this this year contact your does he make it isn't gonna make it is closed they don't keep somebody rotation. And I answer your question. Acute here. For the ultimate -- talk about it on sale this guy looks like team. I guess our question we well. You know led an excellent call broad things you'd involved in employment new man Billy no question with bell Christian is. I don't know what will be playing time. Be there as much as it is for a Michael Thomas. Right right now on bell is third on the depth chart yeah I Gerris bird and by Eric Harris. So. Yeah you're right that the snaps will be their looks for Vaughan bell to contribute quite a bit special teams arena yet this year I think that's kind of the role with some maybe some snaps at nickel our and dime defense is potentially. This year the right now. He's not very high on the depth chart and his original position of safety. And women you know when they stuck it into looking out goes in Indy Tuesday three year you very early in the it's all you packet into a lot of exotic stuff so. You try to you guys reps make sure they understand the base before you start. Install a lot of these exotic coverages he asked early asked about the defense line yet you can Judy she's got an oath. Well OKC get judging it's David on you modest on this team in camp Jordan's on this team talent davis' honesty Bobby Richardson's. Off on this team now. What I. Do we. Down like do you break it down a dirt like I I guess discussing a line. I know how to discuss. Irish she's I know how to discuss often delighted soars roster spots. I don't really know how to porous defensive line like do you break it down on defensive end again outside group in the interior group or is it all kind of one. Modeled group when you're making these cuts do you have any I. I site. Yeah I don't what to make of that because I don't know how does ounce thing about it scheme right arm out typically the past the unique project. You can project because. You know Rob Ryan was there. He knew what he did a year before it took them. Position groups coming like yeah he put. Bill Johnston we'll have a say in that certainly he's been around for awhile and typically they'd like those were still those virtual guys like I think even nick fairly duties should shoulder right to a degree. Could even slide outside and played that in certain situations and in the ground didn't get creative gets that position flexibility. I think the game created with a passer as treatment gymnast on Andy's name keeps cropping up a meg in after the quarterback now. Let's try to answer for Lee's question even if we had to be way wrong and it's way too early to tell. I guess engages off the bat a guy like Tyler Davis in feels a little more expendable but he had a good season last year I felt. He's on his team came a gates started to on this team. Yeah a shot neighbor he's an odd man out. Tim is seen by the rejects any given in the throat slit Tim you deserve your own hot hot hot there that was your bull a day. How quickly you've you've jumped off the BR I turn on them yet Tim hop on the idea what's up I just don't think he's not make this team. Now this year well. Oh. What at what at what a difference a year can make me and I KG what do you think about Bob Richards job security this RD said he's on. I've said that to him and Davison are on here so may breeze out. It is their inane that will be out that seats in recognized for maybe that's the better question yeah I. Think John Jenkins that's lateral Scott Shanle. I think it stated that could be a surprise move because a he's going to his country I don't think they're gonna pay him. Next year anyway so it might behoove them it to carry a younger player I'll lot David on your motto. You know on the active roster instead of in the compete you better stats I don't think it's a fit for him how he doesn't work for him. And in this thing with on your body is now I know the fourth round picks are not guarantees to make the roster but. When you draft a project isn't that kind of like a guarantee even if normal release of the practice squad. Right. Yeah look they're not but they're not even gonna expose that practice by what we talk about last night we you can see guys travel all out practice squad right yeah OK yeah and then what you cut them. Yet the Cutler put on a practice squad and then he's opened up to anybody's active roster so. There's no way their cut there's not a chance he's on this the three man roster there's no way. While John G gets early may be the odd man out there had to keep an eye on it look I've never personally been too impressed. Which Jenkins may be this is a year in which he can say change saints fans minds all right coming up next. Talking to did sell guessing lottery got a lot of good text rolling and and update you on what the Twitter poll results war. Double coverage or debit BL AM after him and dot jumped. Welcome back double coverage here on debit yell AM have been dot com and and damage IE. I forgot to. I got to look at all of the things I said I was gonna look at the. Mean I can't help it continue lady eagle on that I you have a little lady eagle nominally that mean Tim discovered something today which is that. If you take all like ninety's stone cold videos. It just replace it would Donald Trump it ball becomes. Whole area student is still appropriate. For how this election as well would you look at stone cold but. I'll I'll I'll leave that research up to our audience. And it looked to see which tanks are couldn't had some moments but I'll go ahead and died is to. Is Dennis Allen Iverson's personal one that we gained he's mentally not may be all that interesting but. It's. It gives us. Something or give states and things on the latch on to simulate four twos fours dance down deep into what to expect. Both when I was pregnant Cameron Jordan. Sound Britain and the Reagan's am just others on the I've heard you. Are excellent coverage seems camp it seems like every time players asked about that is Al system the theme. And cracked me if I'm wrong here but is kind of simplicity. Responsibility. And attack. Is that is that is that okay I'm okay so without a doubt. Yet without a doubt that's been McCarthy I've been talking about those words and would you like his intensity to it reminds me a lot of Gregg Williams is he jealous that Gregg Williams call. Yeah they don't want but he's not it's not profanity laced as bad as Gregg Williams was yeah. Yeah well it's like in there's effective Ehlers and there's ineffective via I'm guessing you would paint Alan as a former. As an effective yes yeah the 88 picks his spots but he will not ST. To you know to pick and as the players he's done it a few times already. Yeah so. I guess where this. Why I light. What I'm hearing out of the players as far as a pertains to this deep into particular. Is at this instantly angry young group top. Roman Harper hopes the Andy you know way up. He has great air adds a lot of aides to lieutenant is playing well well. Is. Well it is used started to get a 151 team last year that's kind of what we talked about like. I I think he brought harper in here for more than. Just leadership but. As far as the total into the deep into you added some that it steadily vary would you agree that it's a young defense at its core are edits are absolutely right. Share and so with that young defense as they're continued to learn how to play in this league Shuler two BA veteran. In this league I think he more simple approach I begin applies perfectly. Look com. They're young but they're counting on. Second year players to pay dividends now I mean last year these Hughes was a they're gonna have some growing pains. On defense team. But now they have a year under the belt and you know to be out to the just watch in the installation period. They're acting like players that are are very comfortable win in skid in the NFL I mean just look at. The growth and maturity step on Anthony today talk to the media in. You can tell he's much more cult three interviews Allah I've always I've always said this. The way you could see the growth not just on the field we see off the field to reach the a a really good sign that a player it's got to be a pro at citizens sometimes that gets lost total package it's lost on some of these rookies we've seen that. In their second year now I'd just I'd go back to Roman Harper Roca said yes he's well there was there was one instance today where you know he kind of jumped the route it was a it was a seven on seven. He he he kind of jumped the route that this is a football. Any I think it was Kyle Prater that was run in the round on exact shooter but he EE could hear guys say look. Caddie with that you know a eat yeah yeah yeah I've been around a long time. You're not trick giving you of that and who was the quarterback you made it through it was a breeze. I think no I think it was account I think account but it was really talked to the receiver like hey look man you gotta get up earlier that data tricked me. He yet maybe Prater tried Apolo had fake thought he was giddy get the old gray haired vet me says that knocked. So fast I I cannot wait for the first time harbor gets one over on breezed do you think he do you think he resembled a bit. You begin to polio court for us of course he will look he's eighty you know what. That's very they're very few players on this roster he added drew would tolerate that yes you know be true anybody else to be like that EU must be on your Mike on area. That's true Harper's one of the few that could now real report to break as far as Anthony goats on. It makes so much since that he would feel better this year Christian because look at what he was asked to do year one. You wanna talk about. Like hyper accelerating into an NFL career. Hey. Eight rookie come be the quarterback of these Steven Cutler in this entire deepened to make all of the calls. And it's a defense that's relatively complicated right not necessarily. The move streamline deep it's like that's. Not getting your feet wet it's getting thrown into the deep in with weights tied around drinkers. And he did it. He did relatively well in that gore IA used only nine tackles yes yes yes. And I am just a relatively late relative to other starting middle ibex into huge compliment considering the fact that he was rookie answered now. Year to where it's steering Jean everything he's experience. You need your place and much less mental responsibility along with a more. Streamline defense he has got to feel. Like gators in this bird in just lifted off of the shoulders he's got to feel so much more free. Out there and I'll be interested to see that it results in system. You increased. Play in production. Double coverage. What do you think taxied to needs him. Call five reports is so 187. Rabid about and into next to me get back here on WB LAM after them. Quarterback to double coverage here on WL AF FM dot com. He love it there Christian hair hanging out. We ask question on Twitter. This hour KG. Which rookie has you most excited by Google. Michael Tom sheltering and on bail or other and Christian it seems like easy. You or and show on page enthusiasm is being represented in the fan base as. 50%. Saint Michael Thomas Sheldon ranked in the 30% bond ballot eighteen in other at 2% 200 votes and I'm not a super large. Samples I've bit in the presidential polls don't use like a thousand votes to. Say how the country's feeling somebody that I did say that states our nation has spoken these hundred roads are represented and that 50%. Of The Who dat nation exam Michael Thomas most prompting its. Intriguing. Because he wasn't topic I mean that's where baby becomes a bit interesting is that his momentum. At least in this the fans' eyes Tinsley vaulted him over. Are voicing their rankings. By a position though me like. A gate. You you have to have an impact that is noticed that it his its its its job requirement play depositions so look I still think. Did it don't listen to Steny act glowing reviews about Michael Thomas. But I really priority no sheltering. No that's on me I mean that's under way yet that's on me for making it sound like it's somehow a slight against ranked it's 'cause it's it's not idea remain wholly impressed. With both of those guys. Christian so. We had a text asking about how the Pokemon are over there in West Virginia. And I know the you don't know but what I've also intrigues you know can you name a single. Poke. One vote there are literally over like 600 something now can you name one there's generally at least one that everybody knows. Com. Tony Carter. OK okay on which is again not a human being a way just one. Continue at their hotel event is anything I don't know because I am I look I am ensconced in saint right now and it's like yeah yeah. When he urged. Is there even a peek at it would have IC peek at how would you finish. Man how. Can really doesn't signal but. It's tickets. She's. Are coming up next hour on. It double coverage. Presidential election in both of the nominees are now set in concrete and do you think has the edge going into the generals.