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5-27 9am Tommy, TOPS

May 27, 2016|

Tommy talks to Vincent Rossmeier, Policy Director of the Cowen Institute at Tulane, and to State Representative Walt Leger about TOPS.

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Nike young man that dismal towns joined in 1940 a couple of the oppression. Pearl Harbor he gets dropped off in Rio bird Burmese jungle where literally able to stall or. Fight disease and the Japanese. Now. It was at a big man you've read nick aren't forty count when he left the joke you seventy. Okay it's difficult being broke his mental state denied. And we were not the most fluent greatly with Eric well I'll spot people so. I had the pleasure they just pleasure of spending. We slept together in the same room and he fought the Japanese. Every night. Remembering night that is. Hollering and screaming vocal wet this the other. It never never legally do. I went way oh victory typical. But my point is. Donnelly you know but thousand. Meeting you know on their way to explain. Posttraumatic stress I mean in those days. Psychiatry occupant in the infancy but there was no actual bill law like. Based on that occasion so we take a net but it night. He would just literally sit in the chair and cool. Coming. And that. In. We also and pearl or initiate to them. And I know the president skirted Euro coming out I direct apology in the games. But art he came claims. He came close. But I don't think people younger than other new generations old how could somebody drop Obama and Jill Carter I'll be terrible. Lot of our country and hundreds. Thousands of American La so all of a 40% that it shouldn't have been and from my personal experience. It took a poll of one human beings. Ever battle now Julia McDonald. I don't think people realize what Laurie is anymore really don't. So I know it's a good or bad thing for people. You know in. Ball you know. Which Arctic which rocket take credit towards jail wars war. And means but I atrocity never spoke of the the terrible thing they saw the Japanese. I mean they stay. If you are reading but on more written K experts salt mines the coal mine and sticky and a callable Shipp the six months and wearable optical do. Back urgently into you'd like. So that's just my perspective. In correctly it will open Japan has an apology I think it. Well to the new generation and the people that say how terrible that is it is one guys experience. Level carried. And so far worse I'll carry. Those experiences to the day. Joseph Biden's name. But yeah. Now one. While one his last name is I think on Memorial Day if anybody should be honored that you visa money like him. Well his name is the same as mine rebel RI BBO. God bless humane god bless him. And jobless all the veterans and people who not only died in action but died as a result. What takes sole. If I'm sure you know he was not the only. And Manning casualties. Of any ward you know and only seven on the battlefield thank you bill. W weekend night Tom do we talk about tops out because I guarantee that every family gathering. If they're college age kids the subject of Topps will come up. And maybe going to be some information here that will make however whenever side of this year or on a little more factual. The incident Ross Meyer joins us right now policy director of the Cohen institute. Two lane or maybe talent and so I think it's calendars announcements and yet they tell an institute of Tulane and we're talking about Thompson with the limited. Hi basically. What. Kind of a lot and and do you make of who gets what piece of the pie in the pie keeps shrinking Heidi allocated from that point on. Illiteracy. That Colin instituted to link thing. So when we're looking at it we are really looking. It's from part of our mission which is to release her. College access and college and long term except. For high school students across state and when we're looking at it. Who are recommendation when pat. We don't you know we would note changes and no to the program occur but it after her they should be done in needs eight. So instead. Doing in that agree anger require. We would occur insuring that the student who could least afford college. Were active were in panic at being made and Hungary and for that is that we want me change the original intention of the program. Which was to ensure that relief act student. Who couldn't otherwise that or college. Would be an opportunity scholarship and go to college. And any other. You look at top of the year on that original intentions are actually shipped. And now we forty person that you were beat out scholarship coming from and we are making. A 100000 dollars at work and you are 20% to compete in manly. We're making 150000. Dollars or more sensitive data could. I think at least arguably. Are coming tuition where they very much for college or be some sort of payment. Pork college on her own at that that the student from the lower economic and at the upper Egypt who couldn't afford. I have heard Vincent fifteen different versions at least of how tops began and what it was design work or and I heard you mention in tears now. So I presume you have done some research on this subject you are informed on this subject to if you could. Take us back to when pat Taylor and his wife Phyllis decided to start this thing. Well I would have been around at that time but from what I am looked at any. Conversations we had what we're doing a report it was the idea that it was to be any merit based scholarship. Poor act to ensure that the student who couldn't otherwise afford college could afford college. It was both and that it was merit based and it was means based. Right and still I mean. I think that's one thing that often forgotten when we're talking about. Raising. Requirement predicted that. You see a lot putting this dichotomy between though you either change or to make it mark mayor Dave. Or change requirement to make it more meat state. All the students are qualifying or top they're operating and quell our mayor based entity there called bear lakes ill students what all we are saying it. You know. Does that debt paying for long term economic prosperity at the state is to ensure that more kids go to college in all it has. The opportunity to and you know if there's a limited pot of content and cut happening today. And we might news protect those who cannot work out otherwise. So. Among those who Mars means challenged if you will. Would the AZT still be the determined along with the grade point average of the competition would still be there. And would any of those qualifications change. And I went and ask Indians and it is the AZT. Promising a CD here SC. AZ yet is it the is that degree equalizer when it comes to good schools and schools that senator. I think what's really interesting is when we were looking at the numbers. At there at the beginning of bullet predecessor and there were two to the major political put forward. That we're debated over time for the section where returnees in the quarter and a great GPR. That the wanted to. You look at. Seeking or what if you rate if you re seeking corporate at some point when he hit one. Or did she appear arm about it but for a quarter reporting from 2.2 point seven. The number it is it would have been eligible. Last year would drop by on about. 20% across the board if you read it it just on the ATP. That would disproportionately. Affect African American student. Where you rate GPA requirement it would actually. More Caucasian. And private school student in public student so it. Well bit but it wouldn't wouldn't and speak to. The difficulty of either school where may be a 2.5 at a failing inner city school. Is not the same as they 2.5. At one of the more respected private schools be a public. Secular the secular. Yeah Christian religious based whenever. Oh I lead the push back on that it's from the standpoint. That. You know they're. It's standard right after it one way you measure how well student are. And there is a lot of contradictory research out there that they're that way. On an odd GPA though is a 2.5. Or three point oh at an inner city school that perhaps is not have been the toughest curriculum. Be the same at a private school that maybe as it AP courses etc. effectiveness. Well I. Think one thing to ought to consider it bad. Idea at all and what they soccer in this state and so one year and it all through. The fact that. They kicking it take. You weren't on the old and new war on the performance here at. Significantly. Increase over after your student and have. I think it's. It's just not a simple yet and so but early issue on net from the standpoint that. Public school have a lot more accountability. And cried all super for one. And her like that after a lot more. Measured. Bad and there's just a lot more transparent in how students are performing so. I think the main point we're trying to make it that change your requirement that all will backs student across the board and matches. A small portion or one democratic it is really going to act. So how do you implement this because and what my daughter again has tops scholarship and I'll be honest about that but for people that. Are counting on that for next year and did their child is seen college. How would how would you respond to this. You should've planned better well Topps was the plan. What would you say that. I would agree that. What the plan I mean I think one thing we did we and then. At the anger. April where we invited. And I hooked it in from all over new war in. Public critical it and you comment speak about how they talk about how many cocoa content when you heard overwhelmingly. Vote. The student in there with a consistent team. And you're sort of changing and figured changing the goal line. They're minute we had been planning on it that and I. I'm going to aid in I'm going like incredibly long term committed to the state and then all of that in. Now I'm no longer everything in thinking on changing minute there's no. All of these plans that are that we're adopted personal any cure rate there they're honoring. Right to change there right away so evenly situation cap that. That would a true so now even wishing that. The top award will stay stagnant. That has that happening immediately and again that would disproportionately. Hurt students with the least means should fill that gap as tuition. Increases. And that's especially important you considered. But tuition costs and a leading into higher education institutions have increased one of the active streak in the country and here. Or a little bit later do you mean quick answer on this it would be. When it would means testing where the Barbie do you have any idea what it depend on. How many children yours is just a philosophical idea at this point. So get real quick. If you you just either but sliding scale or keep it Q do you want. It capped at about two under. The poverty level which should be around 60000 dollar a year. The program are what with the program ought be cut by shoot bird. So you'd basically have. And around 89 million dollar program and it. Is about it. Only around thirty dollars would need to be required or to curb the program but again we're thinking. Either now let nature. Maybe misunderstood my question I mean in terms of or did did did I miss and about threshold of income for families. Sorry if you cut it you capped at 50000 dollar or less per year. That that's where you get to their car statement. I thank you events and Russ Meyer appreciate your time. You do will talking in policy director at the Conn talent instituted to wind taken a break. Taking your calls to 60187. He should cops be means it means based. Academic base entered means an anything and doing an element of family man as will be back devil have you. David I think usually coffee but that TV angle it's itself so bettered its start. You know I mean yeah like I've got this. You know Weis has yards you gotta Phillies got to fix offense yup and I gotta go to the north forty. Sensed trouble over the ball boy. And a good thing to be a bad weekend is spending get your head together. Khamenei has to be ninety degrees maybe be better viewer up and photos somewhere one of the Dakotas whereas like fifty you know I mean the coast of Maine now and let me just line imagine that he does he project ahead on you know you right now Oden I guess she Kerry would you need on your course of war. And you drone and out there and any get out of New Year's get out the Bob Dwyer barbed wire and yeah started. Its stakes in the sense you know. And the Fed you watch these Alaska shows that are on concert I have a thing forum. I don't I'm not sure why but I do and a and these people that live like above the league Arctic Circle and 300 miles away from any civilization. And they discussed a considerable Shaq and go laden on the Muhsin. I don't know I'd put the winners like nine months I don't know. So be like. Thank you for the girls even and moos is not an issue that you're darn right thing and go getter writedowns gonna. You know my theory both for. Mom and both boards one. Tell me if you're pretty darn right yelling their miss and our hospitals now and people that work the fast food outlets. Globally. AMBER Alert or Norah good I yam town he has been there awhile so and ladies. So. You know I get so many different added definitions and ideas stance Vincent Ross Meyer this. About Thompson started it the the intensive and it. What had Taylor wanted and you can Google this and you concede but I don't think that matters I think what matters is why it. People with the influence think what people like yourself better make gonna make the decision. You are things get our hand the exact historical context on that so with all of that said. Can you tell me. How all of this started and what was had and Phyllis is tailored as on the his wife gets enough credit for this what was the what was their intent and did of with the your vision for the program if you will. Thank Sammy I think in Telecom and I think you're right I'm not sure it matters ultimately keep. I it matters what kind of policies gotten put in place of the year so. I think that pat Ellis Taylor were actively trying to aren't sure empower students who otherwise wouldn't have an opportunity to access college to get there. And so better better originally started out. I need companies based. Support system and so. I and I understand that mr. Taylor again. You have with his financing to support students. To get these opportunities to get to college and eventually seeing that. The success that he and he brought that aren't in the legislature. And and the legislature eventually enacted. The the top program. Now there I guess there are people who believes. Taylor let me go back Walt I'm sorry does sometimes I have to DVR stuff just understandings will be trying to pay attention and and still lose on TV so. Pat Taylor was funny news himself and and the tailors up detailing. I think my understanding is they began on in some stage to their college. What point did the legislature take this over and become a state function. When the legislature enacted it further really that for the first time it came into effect in 1997. And it and it crashed in its current form art. And so that the legislature never acted and needs scholarship banner for the structure based on school performance on boat court GPA. And initiate peace or so. You're. I mean and erupt lol but I must forget hunting people drive and around they lose track so it did dad modify. Patent Phyllis Taylor's plan. Well you know I agree I don't want to speak for them on that in that it. I think that it is modified air original spots however it the legislature passed legislation that. The only way that you can do that is by. Mr. compromise that group and again in the street and boats to enact an bill. And that time the way that they enact it worse to do in the later it did no no means testing simply scholastic achievement. Three different levels of awards event. Created over the years their opportunity. Which is 2.5 128 she'd keep her performance. Three point 20 Korea and the agency and our record now 27 on the CG. There's topped two levels get an additional stipend of pop's house in order for the student decides. They want you to court so you know but I'm with you you started out in the right place and it ultimately doesn't matter. The policies that set into place which certain place and that's what we're behind where today and then it just so happens that balloon in cost. Partially because of increase in tuition but I was over the years there's killer particularly. There's been incredibly active it's important that program as part that secures. But you know I think she believes that keep an at bat and the board here and and and educating our. Our students in the Louisiana has value and I think she's right about. In terms of what is factual. Are there any studies he should go. Aides that it's worked out leaders there anyway due to measure this that the people who were on top state and Louisiana. That it was successful in terms of giving people a chance to go to college today actually did come graduate. And thirdly that if anybody was unduly favored or unduly left out of the program as a as an unintended consequence. I think the I think. I think the idea that there are scientific study and now this is probably not accurate I don't believe there are. Specific study you know that we have data that suggest that. Bears the bears a fair amount of student that perceive this order to not complete. College. Rob and maintain the award which doesn't mean that they don't one days graduate from college but it does mean that at some point. They don't maintain it GPA necessary. To keep in the war sitting award goes away. So you know is it a 100%. Aspect here. And it keep it in MacKey gave it to a student that are absolutely in graduate Malaysia college and Stan I think that's probably not McCain's. But as far as providing opportunities for students who would not liked it there. It certainly has been accept or are you seeing. A significant change in enrollment particularly an election year but also remain at our universities are. Highly qualified student to undecided Stanley yen because they were in that scholarship. And may have otherwise on some other talents. Our while to get a couple more minutes or is that we come back guess specifically wanna talk about means testing. And who may have inadvertently. Because of the slice of the pie. I Wear because of the qualifications. May have been disproportionately. Left download and maybe the legislature as you talk about. A different policy here with topsy if they have any plans to address that if there are facts and indicate. That happened 942 locally JR guest is on the education committee if you went text your questions to me 87870. I will gladly pass them along to him Tommy Tucker. Friday morning glad you let this back in a second talking tops on WW. Active while we. Well then you're an extremely intelligent man and I don't say that to curry favor. But you far. And I would ask you knee in terms of means testing in terms of people as it is now are there group of people that have been. I don't know the proper word is disenfranchise. Stewart have been unfairly treated and I ask that. I'm just preface it by saying this I don't think government is about who pays the most taxes. And you can't you can't have people. That are not of means. Drive and on terrible roads and you can have people that. That are of means getting dependable water at the expense of those who are not in that philosophy against. Is corrected holds. Water. No absolutely I think we're we're kind of all in this together and and and what do government stress induced provide for the basic. Necessities and and also I think that sent the market up and a way to collapsed or that the system be successful import people and for. And for everybody to be in meaningful part of what's happening in our state in our region and our country. So long a line this is those lines is taxpayer money and I'm just wondering. It is it to give everybody a fair chance is it because some people have already had better chances and others. Idea means tested to see what I'm saying. Yeah I know I target and I think that's that's an ongoing debate and discussion that question really. The programs that we worked about 300 million dollars is that sustainable. I think that Obama and he legislator would tell you that name out of the top program I think that it helps students. As it currently structured. In every that come from our tax bracket and every every socioeconomic background and so. You know there's great support for the program in the legislature but can we continue to tick or 300. Every year. When you get to that when he didn't get to a discussion about. Whether you there're two things that people are talking about do you put it means test on it. Or do you think the standards and so I believe that the talent in the last eight suggested that we should be moved to mean. In order to control cost of this program. You know. Think that there's I think that recommendation is that won the question is weird you'd catch the means. And at what level these suggest that it family at a certain level that they can simply a sport. To make this investment and our children's future I think there probably is an appropriate number but what they suggest it was 50000 dollars. And and so I question whether or not that's an appropriate. They're steady shares at the average is that it is the state or go to shut suggest that. The student and we had income eat out more. Would be eligible for tops in the state which say about a 180 million dollar per record. Well I think at that level you would cut into the opportunity. That many students are being given by this option. An and I think we have to remember and the state of Louisiana on. And a way. Much more acute than any than many other state almost any other state and incredibly heart artery. And and and the reality is that a family of four why Megyn. 65000. Dollars. It's going to be nearly impossible for them to really helped searched there. Their child. Get the all access to a higher education and I think a lot of people believe. Is it's something necessary part state you know when per so. The question yet that is what the appropriate number. I think it's very difficult to answer that question that there are some circumstances some are damaged and so. On and conversely. If you increase the standards too much you do get a chart at number students. Who have already you know and less than. Acceptable accessed. Education a high school. And so that data and the data shares that student come out of a lower socioeconomic background. I'm not scored well on standardized test. And so therefore not. Getting access the student to come from a higher background I'm Robert. In Louisiana setting that at levels that a call family forming an 100000 dollars essentially. Playing in the top 10% taxpayer in the Stanley's and a at that family and also struggled at that took all the provide access to students. To their children as students how to sell. The struggle that we're having now is how we figure happily report on the program that it is and keep on the coast. Any adjustments again to cut and shoot some student opportunity. Two good questions Walt we're about out of time is there any in terms of him implementation any thought to grand bothering people Lynn. And the other thing is you know I've been exposed very brilliant men in my life and L thing about tomorrow or next week dating 510 years down line. Along those lines when it comes topsy you guys trying to. Man just stop the flood right now and then you'll think about long term flood control as it relates to tops in the increasingly costly error. Am I would say execute and I think we passed a very good bill in the last couple days at senator it more. Offered. As the chairman of that education committee that suggests that if the legislature cannot on up 200%. If we get back on that the 75%. Which is what the house in and out first on the budget that there be at 25% reduction across the board. Two awards beginning to hear beginning this year because the current. But at the current policy would take a higher score and students and give them their award it would but it would eliminate some lower scoring students. It would it would basically kick. About thirteen thousand recipients off of the program. And so I think the proportional change is better than eliminating students from receiving anything at all by. I I do think we're trying to stem the flow right now but we're trying to get to a place where. Leader on the Foley and the special session or we at least on the to a point where. Not the students are able to continue to move forward and they're educational. Careers. But ultimately we're gonna have to make a decision about I would just. And of course we got to go. We got to go to those so early in your family have a great Memorial Day weekend back under the W.